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this hope radios for the masses Atlanta

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between July 8 1947 the Army Air Forces

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has announced that a flying death has

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been found and is now in the possession

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of the army the game is rigged changed

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the game changer I occasionally think

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how quickly our differences worldwide

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would vanish if we were facing an alien

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network and kgr a the global radio

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your elf together

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all right well well welcome fade to

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yeah hey let's do this it's Wednesday

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January 16th 2019 sixteen days into the

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new year three hundred and forty-nine

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days left that's right we are live from

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a bunker

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somewhere in the middle of beautiful

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downtown Burbank California and I would

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like to welcome everybody listening all

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around the world all across the United

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States hither and thither to and fro

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back and forth up and down east and west

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north and south far and near

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this is fade to black for kjc are the

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game changer networking que GRA the

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planet I am your host Jimmy Church what

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is crack and everybody how you doing

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what an amazing week on fade to black

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chat Kaelin Linda Moulton Howe tonight

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dr. Robert M shock is here now the thing

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is with dr. shot and this is no joke

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I've said it before I'll say it again

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very few people get a chance to change

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the world

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okay we all dream about it we grow up

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we've got dreams of being a king of our

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own Island and it's just going out there

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and knocking walls down all right Robert

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Schoch and John Anthony West did just

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that and when I bring on dr. Schaack

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onto this show it is such an honor and a

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privilege to sit down and have a

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conversation with him and and get

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through his mind and his research and

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how he looks at the world and he's doing

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it all for us and that's what we are

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going to do tonight his latest research

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there is so much going on right now in

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this planet and in his research and what

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he does is is the best so tonight it's

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dr. Robert M shock every time he's been

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on the show the conversation has been

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just amazing and dynamic and and I've

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had a couple of brick walls with him

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over the years too as well where he just

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stopped wouldn't let me go any further

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do you guys remember it's like five

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years ago when he was talking about the

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Great Pyramid in the King's Chamber and

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how we spent the night right and and I

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tried to get it I wanted to know and he

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shut me down and I'm just here to tell

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you it's been a long time and I still

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don't know I still don't know and and

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I'm just gonna let that go you know some

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things are just personal and private and

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that's your experience and I tried

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because I haven't been to the Great

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Pyramid I have been bending Giza I know

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that Reed and I will

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get out there tried to do it this year

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in 2019 it doesn't look like we're gonna

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pull that off we've got a couple of

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trips planned outside of the United

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States and unfortunately Egypt isn't one

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of them but getting into the King's

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alone right or the box let's just call

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it the box and trying to shut your eyes

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and and get through the night

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can you imagine right well that's his

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experience and I can't take I there's

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you know that's it that's it but I tried

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though I tried I tried

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so tonight dr. Robert M shock is here

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and I can't wait for the conversation

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tonight tomorrow night is another Fator

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night with open lines all night long the

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call in numbers oh oh you know what I'm

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tomorrow because we are going through a

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phone installation here and I don't even

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numbers imported by tomorrow we may have

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a temporary that's a whole nother thing

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so I'll announce the phone numbers

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tomorrow all right now you know I'm a

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big social media guy I love my social

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media and you can go now Jimmy Church

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radio calm click on all those little

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things that say like on stellar Twitter

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Facebook YouTube everything is right

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there go follow like and subscribe when

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you get over to on stellar send me a

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friend request okay everything over at

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Facebook is locked up I've got a lot of

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stuff that I'm gonna be talking about

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tomorrow on the show and so just stand

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by for that but I'm gonna talk about

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Google Facebook on stellar and data

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tomorrow on the show and another a

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pretty big announcement from CERN yeah

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and we should be concerned I email is

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Jimmy at Jimmy Church radio calm you can

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simple Jay Church radio

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a teacher turned hashtag f2 B is the

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sandbox and if you have any questions or

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comments all you have to do is use

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church radio calm let's get to this

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breaking news because in a few short

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minutes we will be joined by alec

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hoffman from Hoffman's optics so stand

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by for that we're gonna get to it here

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shortly but breaking news got a lot of

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it here so let's get through it as

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officials from both the United States

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and North Korea tried to set up a second

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summit between President Donald Trump

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and Kim fatty fat North Korea has once

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again reaffirmed its commitment to

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denuclearize the Korean Peninsula

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yesterday I had announced the arrival

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tomorrow of a North Korean official

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don't know who it is who will spend the

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night in Washington DC don't know where

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and possibly meet with President Trump

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but we don't know right and before you

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get all too excited North Korea today

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also said this and I quote the

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denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula

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should be defined as completely

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eliminating the US nuclear threat to

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Korea before it can eliminate our

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nuclear deterrent end quote

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Kim fatty fat all right check this out

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incredible incredible story today

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American businessman Jason Spindler

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survived the September 11th attacks in

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New York only to die this week in an

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another act of terror the business

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investment advisor was among those

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killed yesterday in their terror attack

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on dusted d2 a Kenyan hotel compound

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unbelievable he was working World Trade

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everything went down survived survived

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and turns around and gets gunned down in

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Kenya unbelievable unbelievable

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alright now I'm a I'm a big conspiracy

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guy that's what I do right and I love

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reporting breaking news of the

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conspiracy side and then I've got this

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this next story because it's about the

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Ford Mustang and when I have Mustang

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breaking news I will bring it to you on

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every single show because Ford just

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unveiled the most powerful factory

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produced Mustang the company has ever

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made at the Detroit Auto Show this past

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Monday the new Shelby gt500 has a

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supercharged v8 engine that is producing

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more than 700 horsepower that's right

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and this isn't some modified Mustang

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done by a third-party right they you

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know you built some no no this is a

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gt500 built by Ford no price announced

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yet but hey a man can dream right right

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right Murph Goodrich right everybody can

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have dreams yeah tomorrow night I will

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be talking about on Fator night about

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CERN's new plan for an even bigger

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Collider that's right

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bigger than the LHC and it's not just

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bigger it's ginormous frigging huge and

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I've seen a couple of illustrations of

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the proposed plans and you know how big

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CERN is you know how big the LHC is

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right okay all right write this thing if

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that is CERN

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this is the new one

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crosses over between Switzerland and

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France this one is like that it's

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unbelievable unbelievable all right

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couple of quick announcements this

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Sunday we will be at the crystal matrix

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this Sunday January 20th we're gonna be

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hanging out with Carolyn Ford and

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Einstein the Crystal Skull the address

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is 32 15 Glendale Boulevard in Atwater

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Village right here in Southern

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California you need to call and make

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reservations that phone number is three

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two three six four four seven six to

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five you can also go to the crystal

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Glendale Boulevard and then the week

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after that I will be at the NAMM show

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Friday January 25th in Anaheim

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California at the Anaheim Convention

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Center hit me up on Twitter I'll be

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posting on Twitter where I am at all day

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in real-time so we'll see at the NAMM

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show Friday January 25th now come join

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us right after that for the 2019

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conscious life Expo right here in Los

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Angeles at the LAX Hilton February 22nd

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be there Billy Carson of course Erich

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von däniken George Noory nassim haramein

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our guest tonight Robert Schoch Alec

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just a minute he's going to be there too

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all right so come and hang out with us

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conscious life Expo com we've got a

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banner up over to Vittorio calm click on

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it tickets full conference schedule

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right there and then coming up next

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after that may 31st through June 3rd

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contact in the desert just go to contact

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in the desert calm we've got a full

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weekend of events that I will be hosting

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and so go and check that out right now

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contact in the desert calm after

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that man what a busy year we have our

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2019 Seoul tech conference is over the

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July 4th weekend up at the sunrise ranch

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in Loveland Colorado you can sign up now

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you have to go to Seoul tech gathering

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dot-com and sign up all the tickets will

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be sold on a first-come first turn Govs

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first-served basis off of that waiting

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list and I'm here to tell you right now

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it's full I'm telling you you've got to

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go and get your name on that mailing

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list I'm just I'm just letting you know

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right now okay we're happy we're happy

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but I don't want anybody to be bummed

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out

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get over to Seoul tech gathering com

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sign up on that waiting list okay all

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where am I at let's uh let's get all of

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this stuff out of the way happy birthday

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to today John Carpenter he is 70 years

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old and on this day in history what a

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crazy day in history 1919 America goes

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dry prohibition they tried to take our

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alcohol away from us well they did 1942

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Carole Lombard is killed in a crash when

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their plane veers off course in Las

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Vegas and into the top of a potosi

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Mountain right there between Las Vegas

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and power WAMP Nevada

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some say there was a UFO connection to

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that crash then in 1979 the Shah flees

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Iran and then in 1991 Bush was waiting

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up for the midnight deadline with Iraq

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and you know what happened on the next

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day on January 17th two things happened

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on January 17th one we invaded Iraq

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Desert Storm begins and two I'll talk

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about this tomorrow on the show it was

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the earthquake right here in Southern

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California

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yeah the Northridge earthquake I will

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never forget it here's your fader fact

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the cigarette lighter was invented

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before the match

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did you hear what I just said the

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cigarette lighter was invented before

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the match now that sounds to me like you

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could go and turn that into a partly you

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could bet that and win right think about

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that all right tonight Robert M shock is

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here tomorrow night it's another Fator

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night with open lines all night long and

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now I would like to welcome back to fade

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to black

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Alec Hoffman of Hoffman's optics Alec

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good evening my man how are you good

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evening doing fine you thank you and do

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you have me on speakerphone take male

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speaker can't have me on speaker no

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speaker okay I'm off see there you go

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there you go because we can hear when

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you do that Alec we can hear the

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ginormous offices of Hoffman optics it's

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the giant marble lined Lobby where your

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receptionist is sitting and everybody

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gets to hear that so yeah it's better

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not to be M speaker so Alec welcome back

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to the program congratulations on and

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not only the success of Hoffman's optics

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but for all that you have done for this

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community for so many years now night

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vision is your life and before you

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introduce it I look at you and I know

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that everybody is using night vision now

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everybody's doing sky watches and night

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watches but you were the one that

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brought this to the UFO community right

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that's right that's right Jimmy and you

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know the thing is did you know that you

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were gonna change everything

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you know the way that so many

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enthusiasts out there look at the skies

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now you know night vision is what

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everybody talks about in wants and

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desires because they know that things

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are going on up in the sky but it was

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you you know that brought this to the

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UFO community and I gotta thank you for

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that most people don't know Thank You

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Jimmy very much yes it's my passion

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I never thought about

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you know just bring something new I just

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did you notice what I love to do I share

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this with your file over at Cal Awards I

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love it and I do too from bottom of my

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heart and it turned to be my business

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and I bring back so with something new

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to you know just people and they can see

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in invisible spectrum so I'm you know

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thrilled to help people now you have

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when everybody visits Hoffman's

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optics.com which is a great website and

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there's a lot of information there but

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you have there you have three basic

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product lines that need some definition

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here you have the Orion you have the

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Roswell and then you have the area 52

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Jimmy Church Edition which is very cool

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I like the name the name is is really

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cool but take us through the product

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line really quick it's simply because I

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want to talk to you about some other

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stuff

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what is the Orion Orion basically it's a

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basic align your affordable of night

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vision we have digital day/night

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recording camera which Aurora for $7.99

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it's absolutely affordable and works

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beautifully at night and day as well and

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the generation 2 I'm using duration 2

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for monoculars and goggles that's why

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it's basically affordable for without

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breaking bank Roswell Roswell a

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generation 3 tonight up basically you

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know just for people who can afford what

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do you actually see you can see 80,000

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plus times versus naked I on the other

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hand duration to enhance each particle

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of light up to 60,000 times it's

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absolutely will do job and perfect for

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budget system and area 52 GB Church I

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was working with you four years ago you

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asked me what can you do to bring

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something different for your family so

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we design revolutionary and nobody in

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the world has the stuff technology it's

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a deep blue night vision

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and yesterday we build first unit in

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absolutely gorgeous nice crease picture

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I'm going to introduce this system

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actually contact in the desert and also

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our via the salt Hat in Colorado right

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is used so I'm gonna do a crab boat show

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as always so if people actually would

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like to check in and for skyward so

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please do so at contact in the desert

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website and I'll be there so everybody

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will have experience of different color

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of night vision and prior to purchase

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now I'm gonna run right and it's not and

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thank you for that and it's not just the

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color and we can talk about that too as

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well but there are other features here

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that isn't anywhere else that you and I

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sat down and and needed to there were

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things that I wanted on these these

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goggles and you said absolutely we're

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going to do this we're going to do this

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and what are some of these features that

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are on the area 52 that nobody else has

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well first of all we have currently we

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have Universal cell phone adapter you

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attaching to IPS Universal I mean just

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any cell phone whatever model is and you

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can record video answer with community

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but you notice we are planning to to

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have internal recording system which

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already done in groupings and right now

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we actually would have prototype but we

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are working right now on the software

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the whole hardware is done so we need to

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actually finish software hopefully they

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will be done by contact in the desert

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but we'll see what's going to happen but

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you know good things coming to those who

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wait and I and what about the amplifiers

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amplifiers basically that will be the

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whole features will be built in and we

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are working right now to enhance with

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infrared illuminator not lasers maybe

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even lasers but in certain wavelengths

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it's called 802 nine millimeter

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length so they would not harm from pilot

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so we can actually we trying to

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incorporate with unit as well those

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lasers and you're also going to be

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you're going to be a contact in the

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desert we're gonna be doing a night

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watch a sky watch out there each night

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so that that's gonna happen but also

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you're gonna be hanging out a little bit

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at the conscious life Expo too as well

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next month absolutely absolutely I will

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be there and the reason why I'm

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suggesting this everybody is gonna be a

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contact in the desert and it's such a

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huge event and and I have seen the most

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remarkable things out there with

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hundreds of people and we've had so much

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fun to year after year but for this

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product launch with Hoffman's optics

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anybody that's gonna be a conscious life

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Expo come by our fade to black booth and

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I'll be there Alec will be there and

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we'll have some of the products there

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where you can check it out and you'll be

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able to if you wish not only get

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yourself some night-vision goggles but

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get ready for contact in the desert it

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only makes sense and then right after

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that soul tech so you'll be able to have

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your night vision goggles and enjoy an

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entire season of conferences out there

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of course the highlight being contact in

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the desert out there in Palm Springs yes

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baby and I would like to mention please

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if somebody has any questions regarding

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night vision feel free to call me at 860

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6 867 22 again 866 867 22 or drop me a

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line

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info at Hoffman ok calm and you know

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what's really great and I say this all

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the time Alec to all of the fader knots

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out there when I say call Alec Alec is a

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fade or not if anybody calls Alec and

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wants to talk about fade to black get

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get some secret info on Rita's cooking

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any of that stuff

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Alec is the guy you know Alec

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understands the fader nots better than

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anybody and he'll sit and and and help

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you not only through the right product

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that is for you but you guys can talk

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UFOs you guys can talk about fade to

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black he is one of us and Alec you are a

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member of this family yes I am and I'm

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proud to be member of your family and I

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think it's so much Jimmy now you know

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what's really great Alec every time that

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I see you you're wearing one of our

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t-shirts it's absolutely amazing and I'm

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really looking forward to the sky

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watches that we're gonna be doing out at

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contact in the desert this year how many

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nights are we gonna do what three four

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nights of sky watches three nights we're

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gonna do actually they plan to do only

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on the weekend Saturday and Sunday but I

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was actually talking to management and I

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said I would like to do Friday as well

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so when people arriving there will be

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more entertainment yeah we'll see but I

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want to do I've got a little poll with

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contact in the desert and so do you

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right so this what we should do we have

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fade to black on Friday night alright

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and that's gonna run at 10 o'clock and

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then I've got to go out and have a

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couple of drinks after the show and

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loosen up a little bit but I think we

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should all get together something figure

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out something for Friday night for the

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fete or knots where we can

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all get together and and go hang out on

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Friday night that's what I want to do I

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would actually I like that and we're

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gonna talk to management I think you

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noticed we can actually extend Skywatch

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feel probably 1 or 2 o'clock in the

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morning you will have enough time to

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have your drink and take care of your

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chores and then maybe you can join us

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and you know just work with us and see

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what are we gonna see see right now

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they're listening right contacting the

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desert I know they're listening so we're

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gonna hang up right I'm gonna break to

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commercial your phone's gonna ring it's

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good what are you doing up till 2

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o'clock in the morning is emmalin yeah

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yep probably Alec thank you so much man

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and and I'm so proud of our relationship

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with you and your company and and the

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area 52 and my name is on it I will

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stand by it but I am just so proud and

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you've done everything that I've dreamed

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about and you've responded to that and

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and that's very rare today thank you so

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much Alec and enjoy the rest of your

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night my friend thank you sue me it's

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pleasure to be at the assaut and looking

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forward to see your contact in the

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desert

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we'll see you man and behave and be well

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will do thank you thank you so much

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seriously an amazing week and tonight

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Sunday tonight dr. Robert and I'm

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shocked he's a full-time faculty member

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George Washington University in the

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early 1990s dr. Schaack along with John

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Anthony was they recast the date of the

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we're gonna cover not only his latest

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research and we've got a lot of stuff to

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go into about our paths and lost

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civilizations but we're gonna talk about

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the latest news out of Giza in Egypt and

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his website of course is Robert Schoch

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com I would like to welcome back to the

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show

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dr. Robert M Jacques Robert good evening

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man how are you oh very good good

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evening to use it it's great to be back

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so you're in Boston I'm in LA and I bet

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it's colder out here and you're getting

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all that rain it's nasty out here and so

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whereas it as a geologist and and you

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know you've written so much and studied

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about erosion

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and we're going through the rain here

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like we are and when you go through I

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mean do you go out and look at water

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flows do you look at erosion yeah sure

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sure I look at ocean water flows I've

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actually taken some fairly I mean

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physical wrists to look at such things

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in some cases during major storms and

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tsunamis I remember being Japan once for

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a tsunami I'm the little island of Yana

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goony I had to go down to the cliff

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faces and look over and I thought that

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my colleagues were with me and then I

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looked back in there you know way away

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from me I thought they were following me

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I was fascinated by what was happening

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with the weathering and the storms but

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it can get dangerous and I will tell you

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I've been in situations where I'm

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driving down a road or I'm actually I

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remember once being Peru on a little

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train and I'm looking up at the sides of

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the hills and I can see that there are

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landslides just about to happen oh when

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I say is a geologist just about to have

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that could take another ten years it

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could take another five years or it

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could be as we pass by you have very

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much the same situation there especially

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with the fires which have denuded the

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hills and taken all the vegetation which

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is destabilized right right that

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situation yeah very bad situation it's

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so cyclical out here it seems like we go

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through the same thing year after year

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where there's no rain then you know

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everything dries out we go through the

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fires and then the rain comes and all

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the hillsides are stripped away of all

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the vegetation so then we got to deal

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with the mudslides and then it's like

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rinse and repeat

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right and then we just do it all over

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again it's not a place where people

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should live now I you know I I don't

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mean that nastily I meant that as a from

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a geological point of view it's not I

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mean you know because I've seen some of

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the pictures recently I saw I think on

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the news earlier today or an Internet so

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a big mudslide with boulders it that

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come down over a road yeah no you have

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to deal with it and accept it as it is

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but you're not going to change it from

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you know nature's point of view now you

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just mentioned what this is what's

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really funny I'm gonna make this really

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quick because I want your reaction to

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this you and I we've sat and we talked

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so much and we agree on so much and and

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I've learned so much from you but

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there's one thing where you and I just

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don't agree and that's Yonaguni yama

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Guinea yep oh yeah that good you and

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okay and actually I was mentioning Jana

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green just now because that ties in with

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what we were just talking about what you

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have at Yonaguni and I don't know if

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00:37:58,609 --> 00:37:55,890
everyone's familiar with it but you have

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these underwater structures are called

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structures but I'm using that non

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definitively that doesn't mean they're

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artificial as I'm using the term you can

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have natural geological structures and

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00:38:14,329 --> 00:38:09,960
I'm convinced that it's primarily

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natural underwater and the way the rock

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breaks out it is Fault as heavily

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faulted I'm talking now geology's got

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00:38:25,849 --> 00:38:23,240
these cracks in it therefore by the

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00:38:29,539 --> 00:38:25,859
earthquakes that occur there's a very

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active tectonic area in fact I could

772
00:38:35,180 --> 00:38:31,290
tell you a lot of fun stories about that

773
00:38:37,490 --> 00:38:35,190
I was I've been there four times and up

774
00:38:38,299 --> 00:38:37,500
to two weeks at a time diving at that

775
00:38:41,390 --> 00:38:38,309
type of thing

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00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:41,400
and I am convinced that it's primarily a

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00:38:48,170 --> 00:38:44,640
natural structure underwater now there's

778
00:38:51,170 --> 00:38:48,180
lots of evidence for human habitation on

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00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:51,180
the island going back to a very remote

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00:38:55,609 --> 00:38:53,040
period going back to the end of the last

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ice age when you're on one end of

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Yonaguni you can actually see Taiwan on

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00:39:03,859 --> 00:39:01,849
a clear day literally see Taiwan and

784
00:39:06,559 --> 00:39:03,869
recently because you were talking about

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00:39:09,589 --> 00:39:06,569
recent research there's now information

786
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:09,599
that's come out that in fact when you

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00:39:17,210 --> 00:39:14,250
look at the topography underwater

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00:39:21,589 --> 00:39:17,220
topography between Yonaguni and Taiwan

789
00:39:23,660 --> 00:39:21,599
at one point during the late Ice Age the

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sea levels were low enough that there

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was actually a land bridge between them

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and I do believe there was interchange

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etcetera so there were ancient people

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living

795
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on Yonaguni and when sea levels were

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lower a lot of these structures were

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00:39:40,340 --> 00:39:38,340
exposed and I believe that they were

798
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:40,350
using them they may have even slightly

799
00:39:47,630 --> 00:39:44,010
modified them but it's not a pyramid in

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my assessment built artificially and

801
00:39:51,710 --> 00:39:49,200
that gets back to what we were just

802
00:39:53,450 --> 00:39:51,720
talking about when I was there for one

803
00:39:56,660 --> 00:39:53,460
of the trips there was actually a small

804
00:39:58,850 --> 00:39:56,670
tsunami I mean it was big enough to you

805
00:40:01,010 --> 00:39:58,860
know cause a lot of damage and I

806
00:40:04,430 --> 00:40:01,020
actually went out to the cliffs of

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00:40:07,370 --> 00:40:04,440
Yonaguni to see for myself how the rocks

808
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:07,380
were being split and broken off in huge

809
00:40:13,780 --> 00:40:10,530
chunks and being carried away in forming

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00:40:18,530 --> 00:40:13,790
this incredible step-like square

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topography but for it naturally ah yeah

812
00:40:23,090 --> 00:40:21,090
I I look at this now you've schoo but

813
00:40:26,660 --> 00:40:23,100
you've been there and I understand that

814
00:40:29,570 --> 00:40:26,670
but I know when I look at just pictures

815
00:40:31,310 --> 00:40:29,580
of it from remotely when you haven't

816
00:40:35,900 --> 00:40:31,320
looked at the entire site and you see

817
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:35,910
how the very regular even what looks

818
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:39,930
like cut marks then grades in to what

819
00:40:45,650 --> 00:40:43,530
everyone would Inc agree is natural and

820
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:45,660
there's all the gradations in between

821
00:40:51,830 --> 00:40:49,290
and the very strong currents that sweep

822
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:51,840
out the debris and then you can find

823
00:40:56,420 --> 00:40:53,810
that elsewhere etc I mean it's a

824
00:41:00,350 --> 00:40:56,430
remarkable size an absolutely remarkable

825
00:41:02,270 --> 00:41:00,360
site when I first was on my way there on

826
00:41:04,370 --> 00:41:02,280
the airplane actually you mentioned John

827
00:41:07,310 --> 00:41:04,380
Anthony was my first trip there was with

828
00:41:10,010 --> 00:41:07,320
John Anthony West right we went together

829
00:41:12,500 --> 00:41:10,020
we both learned to scuba dive before we

830
00:41:14,090 --> 00:41:12,510
went there so we could scuba dive on it

831
00:41:16,370 --> 00:41:14,100
because that's the only way you can see

832
00:41:20,060 --> 00:41:16,380
I mean I was already writing the

833
00:41:22,340 --> 00:41:20,070
scientific paper and I just was going

834
00:41:24,770 --> 00:41:22,350
there to confirm and get the final

835
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:24,780
pieces of evidence but everything

836
00:41:29,210 --> 00:41:27,570
changed when I saw it on well I was

837
00:41:31,690 --> 00:41:29,220
going to say on the ground underwater

838
00:41:34,100 --> 00:41:31,700
when I saw it underwater for myself yeah

839
00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:34,110
it was it was I don't want to say it

840
00:41:37,220 --> 00:41:35,520
wasn't disappointed because it was

841
00:41:42,110 --> 00:41:37,230
disappointing awful that's what you

842
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:42,120
loved it to be you know the definitive

843
00:41:46,940 --> 00:41:44,010
evidence of

844
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:46,950
ancient structures to that remote period

845
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:50,400
in that part of Asia I mean I would love

846
00:41:54,859 --> 00:41:53,010
that but you know me I mean we've talked

847
00:41:57,830 --> 00:41:54,869
about this before I have to go with the

848
00:42:05,150 --> 00:41:57,840
evidence as I see it and it just doesn't

849
00:42:08,270 --> 00:42:05,160
hold up to scrutiny earn your scuba gear

850
00:42:11,090 --> 00:42:08,280
your underwater and clearly over your

851
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:11,100
shoulder on the wall is carved it says

852
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:21,810
watch your step I mean I wish but but if

853
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:23,970
I could not change the subject but

854
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:25,650
change the subject just a little bit

855
00:42:30,410 --> 00:42:28,050
Yonaguni is one thing and I'm not

856
00:42:32,570 --> 00:42:30,420
convinced by it but then we do have on

857
00:42:35,599 --> 00:42:32,580
Java and I've been there to see this

858
00:42:39,140 --> 00:42:35,609
site we have on Java the site of Goodman

859
00:42:41,450 --> 00:42:39,150
Padang right which is absolutely in my

860
00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:41,460
assessment in my opinion looking at the

861
00:42:46,580 --> 00:42:44,160
evidence the real thing going back to

862
00:42:49,720 --> 00:42:46,590
the same remote period even earlier

863
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:49,730
possibly based on radiocarbon dating and

864
00:42:56,359 --> 00:42:53,130
some a geophysical work that Danny

865
00:42:58,760 --> 00:42:56,369
Hillman not should not to Jawa has been

866
00:43:02,960 --> 00:42:58,770
working on if I pronounces Indonesian

867
00:43:06,650 --> 00:43:02,970
name correctly goes by Danny Hillman he

868
00:43:08,990 --> 00:43:06,660
and you know so maybe Yonaguni in my

869
00:43:12,230 --> 00:43:09,000
opinion didn't pan out but we have

870
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:12,240
another site from the same general area

871
00:43:17,780 --> 00:43:15,090
Indonesia right in this case versus

872
00:43:19,490 --> 00:43:17,790
Japan and I have no doubt whatsoever and

873
00:43:22,490 --> 00:43:19,500
I've been talking about this for

874
00:43:26,290 --> 00:43:22,500
actually decades now that yeah we

875
00:43:28,810 --> 00:43:26,300
probably have a center of early

876
00:43:33,260 --> 00:43:28,820
civilization and that part of the world

877
00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:33,270
just as we do in Egypt just as we do in

878
00:43:40,670 --> 00:43:36,960
Turkey etc and all of this builds up a

879
00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:40,680
larger picture that there was what I

880
00:43:46,010 --> 00:43:43,680
call an earlier cycle civilization that

881
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:46,020
existed at the end of the last ice age

882
00:43:51,220 --> 00:43:48,450
so we have good evidence in my

883
00:43:54,380 --> 00:43:51,230
assessment at gunung padang we have

884
00:43:56,090 --> 00:43:54,390
incredible evidence and with gobekli

885
00:43:57,829 --> 00:43:56,100
tepe in Turkey which you and I have

886
00:44:00,140 --> 00:43:57,839
talked about quite a bit

887
00:44:03,559 --> 00:44:00,150
we have the evidence and Egypt from the

888
00:44:05,870 --> 00:44:03,569
Sphinx but I'm not going to personally

889
00:44:08,989 --> 00:44:05,880
dilute that if I could use that term

890
00:44:11,329 --> 00:44:08,999
with things that are questionable like

891
00:44:15,949 --> 00:44:11,339
Yonaguni or things that are totally

892
00:44:18,229 --> 00:44:15,959
bogus and I would point the way I see it

893
00:44:19,759 --> 00:44:18,239
with for instance the so called Bosnian

894
00:44:21,620 --> 00:44:19,769
pyramids I only think about that because

895
00:44:23,959 --> 00:44:21,630
someone wrote to me about that today and

896
00:44:25,969 --> 00:44:23,969
asked my opinion once again on the

897
00:44:27,469 --> 00:44:25,979
so-called Bosnian I've never done this

898
00:44:29,949 --> 00:44:27,479
show I've never done this show on the

899
00:44:33,650 --> 00:44:29,959
Bosnian pyramids I haven't been sold

900
00:44:36,049 --> 00:44:33,660
don't do a show on them I I you know

901
00:44:39,410 --> 00:44:36,059
that I tend to be very honest and I

902
00:44:43,130 --> 00:44:39,420
don't like to take any kind of native

903
00:44:46,670 --> 00:44:43,140
view on things or belittle other people

904
00:44:50,209 --> 00:44:46,680
and if I do I apologize right away

905
00:44:54,620 --> 00:44:50,219
hopefully but the Bosnian pyramids they

906
00:44:56,599 --> 00:44:54,630
they are not what some people claim they

907
00:45:01,219 --> 00:44:56,609
are what would it take to change your

908
00:45:03,799 --> 00:45:01,229
your mind on Yonaguni oh I would have to

909
00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:03,809
find some really definitive evidence

910
00:45:12,829 --> 00:45:08,880
that those were artificial structures I

911
00:45:16,219 --> 00:45:12,839
would have to find a doorway what a

912
00:45:18,829 --> 00:45:16,229
doorway were doorway or maybe something

913
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:18,839
where you have stones that have actually

914
00:45:25,309 --> 00:45:21,119
been built and stacked together what you

915
00:45:27,919 --> 00:45:25,319
have is bedrock that has been shifted

916
00:45:29,509 --> 00:45:27,929
apart sort of it almost looks like an

917
00:45:31,429 --> 00:45:29,519
ancient quarry in fact many people

918
00:45:33,919 --> 00:45:31,439
including myself have suggested

919
00:45:36,529 --> 00:45:33,929
tentatively maybe it could been pardon

920
00:45:39,319 --> 00:45:36,539
ancient quarry but I'm not even

921
00:45:42,049 --> 00:45:39,329
convinced of that and people say it's

922
00:45:43,969 --> 00:45:42,059
right angles and it's so smooth and

923
00:45:46,699 --> 00:45:43,979
perfect well actually when you go

924
00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:46,709
underwater and you look at it directly

925
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:49,920
it's not the angles are not perfectly

926
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:53,130
right angles they fall they follow the

927
00:45:58,099 --> 00:45:56,160
fault lines they follow the bedding I'm

928
00:46:01,779 --> 00:45:58,109
using geological terms but they follow

929
00:46:05,319 --> 00:46:01,789
the bedding of the rock I mean it it

930
00:46:07,039 --> 00:46:05,329
unfortunately for the ancient

931
00:46:10,730 --> 00:46:07,049
civilization from the ancient

932
00:46:14,510 --> 00:46:10,740
civilization point of view it

933
00:46:18,260 --> 00:46:14,520
it fits natural geology is it stupendous

934
00:46:20,210 --> 00:46:18,270
incredible natural geology yes do you

935
00:46:23,540 --> 00:46:20,220
get somewhat similar things elsewhere

936
00:46:26,359 --> 00:46:23,550
yes do you get anything precisely like

937
00:46:29,150 --> 00:46:26,369
that elsewhere no but is every

938
00:46:31,820 --> 00:46:29,160
geological formation every geological

939
00:46:34,190 --> 00:46:31,830
structure on Earth unique at some level

940
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:34,200
yes this is a part of geology that's why

941
00:46:40,930 --> 00:46:37,920
you can take a little rock sample and if

942
00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:40,940
you have enough data and you do the

943
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:44,730
analysis yeah you can say oh this rock

944
00:46:48,980 --> 00:46:47,010
came from this quarry in this country

945
00:46:51,290 --> 00:46:48,990
etc etc and they do that for instance

946
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:51,300
with artwork sculptures and whatnot

947
00:46:58,100 --> 00:46:53,520
everything in geology is unique to

948
00:47:00,590 --> 00:46:58,110
assert a certain level the when people

949
00:47:02,780 --> 00:47:00,600
say to me almost there's nothing exactly

950
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:02,790
like Yonaguni elsewhere therefore it

951
00:47:08,180 --> 00:47:04,890
must be artificial no that doesn't work

952
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:08,190
that's not the way geology is the the

953
00:47:12,710 --> 00:47:10,530
other part about you know goony though

954
00:47:15,470 --> 00:47:12,720
you just suggested that there's a

955
00:47:19,700 --> 00:47:15,480
possibility of it may be an ancient

956
00:47:21,470 --> 00:47:19,710
quarry would be significant too as well

957
00:47:23,450 --> 00:47:21,480
wouldn't it that would be significant

958
00:47:25,940 --> 00:47:23,460
and actually I'm not convinced as to

959
00:47:28,730 --> 00:47:25,950
ancient quarry but what I am convinced

960
00:47:31,820 --> 00:47:28,740
of and a lot of people miss this when

961
00:47:34,220 --> 00:47:31,830
they hear me say something and then I

962
00:47:36,470 --> 00:47:34,230
don't say exactly what they want to hear

963
00:47:40,910 --> 00:47:36,480
which is that oh yeah this is a ancient

964
00:47:43,340 --> 00:47:40,920
pyramid under water and proves you know

965
00:47:49,220 --> 00:47:43,350
ancient civilization there and part of

966
00:47:52,070 --> 00:47:49,230
New Orlean I I'm convinced that based on

967
00:47:55,609 --> 00:47:52,080
the evidence that people were inhabiting

968
00:47:58,790 --> 00:47:55,619
that Island at this revoke period on the

969
00:48:01,280 --> 00:47:58,800
island on the surface there are tombs

970
00:48:04,370 --> 00:48:01,290
for instance there are what they now

971
00:48:06,170 --> 00:48:04,380
call tombs ancient tombs some of them

972
00:48:07,940 --> 00:48:06,180
are more modern they are still being

973
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:07,950
used but some of them are very very

974
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:11,040
ancient and when you look at those tombs

975
00:48:16,849 --> 00:48:14,490
they are absolutely human constructed

976
00:48:19,340 --> 00:48:16,859
carved out of the bedrock actually

977
00:48:22,340 --> 00:48:19,350
carved out different formations of

978
00:48:24,610 --> 00:48:22,350
bedrock than the under water structures

979
00:48:27,900 --> 00:48:24,620
but they are I am

980
00:48:30,850 --> 00:48:27,910
convinced carved in ancient times to

981
00:48:33,460 --> 00:48:30,860
essentially mimic if you would the

982
00:48:37,150 --> 00:48:33,470
underwater structures so what I'm saying

983
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:37,160
is that just like we who in awe at the

984
00:48:42,250 --> 00:48:40,370
Grand Canyon or the man in the mountain

985
00:48:44,230 --> 00:48:42,260
you know natural formations that type of

986
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:44,240
thing and even make copies of them

987
00:48:49,090 --> 00:48:45,850
I think the ancient people were

988
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:49,100
incredibly impressed by what they saw

989
00:48:53,290 --> 00:48:51,170
Yonaguni which were still impressed by

990
00:48:54,310 --> 00:48:53,300
and they were even imitating it to a

991
00:48:56,530 --> 00:48:54,320
certain extent

992
00:48:58,540 --> 00:48:56,540
I've also hypothesized that when this

993
00:49:01,150 --> 00:48:58,550
was above water more or less sea levels

994
00:49:03,490 --> 00:49:01,160
were lower they may have used Yonaguni

995
00:49:07,720 --> 00:49:03,500
as some kind of platform or staging

996
00:49:10,570 --> 00:49:07,730
ground did they maybe modify it very

997
00:49:12,820 --> 00:49:10,580
slightly I'm not opposed to that concept

998
00:49:16,090 --> 00:49:12,830
what I'm opposed to or what I'm saying

999
00:49:20,970 --> 00:49:16,100
the evidence it indicates to me is that

1000
00:49:23,740 --> 00:49:20,980
it's not in total or even primarily

1001
00:49:25,690 --> 00:49:23,750
artificial structure I'm not denying

1002
00:49:30,030 --> 00:49:25,700
that humans were there in ancient times

1003
00:49:32,830 --> 00:49:30,040
and admiring it using it imitating it

1004
00:49:35,650 --> 00:49:32,840
you know it's not really a black and

1005
00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:35,660
white issue there's a lot of gray area

1006
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:40,250
in there no yes and and it in a way it

1007
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:42,890
kind of bums me out but the thing is by

1008
00:49:47,590 --> 00:49:45,650
all women there is something else happy

1009
00:49:50,110 --> 00:49:47,600
for I'm sorry didn't interrupt sure one

1010
00:49:52,300 --> 00:49:50,120
thing you have to remember or think

1011
00:49:54,670 --> 00:49:52,310
about especially when you go to the Far

1012
00:49:57,310 --> 00:49:54,680
East and we're talking modern Japan and

1013
00:50:00,670 --> 00:49:57,320
no China it's just off the coast of

1014
00:50:03,870 --> 00:50:00,680
China and Taiwan they have a very very

1015
00:50:06,850 --> 00:50:03,880
long tradition of admiring nature

1016
00:50:10,720 --> 00:50:06,860
imitating nature you think of you know

1017
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:10,730
like Zen gardens and right around that

1018
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:12,770
type of thing and I think actually at

1019
00:50:18,430 --> 00:50:15,680
Yonaguni you can trace this tradition

1020
00:50:20,140 --> 00:50:18,440
back to a very remote period I think

1021
00:50:22,780 --> 00:50:20,150
that served need but go ahead I'm sorry

1022
00:50:24,460 --> 00:50:22,790
something bummed you out well in that we

1023
00:50:26,830 --> 00:50:24,470
see things and we all want the

1024
00:50:28,690 --> 00:50:26,840
fantastical to you know to possibly

1025
00:50:31,180 --> 00:50:28,700
break through and be true parallel

1026
00:50:35,050 --> 00:50:31,190
worlds time travel you know and

1027
00:50:37,180 --> 00:50:35,060
something like Yonaguni is right there

1028
00:50:38,020 --> 00:50:37,190
and it's the same but Yonaguni to me

1029
00:50:41,260 --> 00:50:38,030
looks

1030
00:50:43,570 --> 00:50:41,270
very real as opposed to the Bosnian

1031
00:50:45,940 --> 00:50:43,580
pyramid I look at that night it's a hill

1032
00:50:48,310 --> 00:50:45,950
oh absolutely the Bosnian pyramids don't

1033
00:50:51,630 --> 00:50:48,320
even look real and that's in part

1034
00:50:55,990 --> 00:50:51,640
because they're not real number one and

1035
00:50:59,800 --> 00:50:56,000
you've got huge huge Hills which only

1036
00:51:01,330 --> 00:50:59,810
from certain angles sort of maybe look

1037
00:51:03,820 --> 00:51:01,340
like something and then when they're

1038
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:03,830
bulldozed and carved up with backhoes

1039
00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:07,130
you do those sections sort of maybe look

1040
00:51:15,790 --> 00:51:10,250
like something the thing about Yonaguni

1041
00:51:19,450 --> 00:51:15,800
is you've never seen it let me well I

1042
00:51:22,720 --> 00:51:19,460
don't mean this this sound the wrong way

1043
00:51:24,850 --> 00:51:22,730
but it's very hard to see in photographs

1044
00:51:27,700 --> 00:51:24,860
you've actually not seen it unless

1045
00:51:31,420 --> 00:51:27,710
you've not only dived it but dive the

1046
00:51:33,850 --> 00:51:31,430
extent of it if someone puts you down in

1047
00:51:36,580 --> 00:51:33,860
one little spot on Yonaguni underwater

1048
00:51:40,630 --> 00:51:36,590
I'm talking scuba and then doesn't let

1049
00:51:43,750 --> 00:51:40,640
you explore the whole structure it could

1050
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:43,760
be very convincing even right in front

1051
00:51:48,310 --> 00:51:45,890
of you but when you start looking at how

1052
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:48,320
it grades in and you actually start

1053
00:51:54,070 --> 00:51:51,890
exploring the geology with you know

1054
00:51:57,790 --> 00:51:54,080
background and the type of rock it is

1055
00:51:59,890 --> 00:51:57,800
that type of thing it's you know

1056
00:52:01,930 --> 00:51:59,900
something else comes out I'll say one

1057
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:01,940
more thing about right now I could not

1058
00:52:08,290 --> 00:52:04,850
even see the rock on my first diver -

1059
00:52:10,690 --> 00:52:08,300
why because it's all covered with what I

1060
00:52:12,700 --> 00:52:10,700
call organic scum as a geologist it's

1061
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:12,710
covered with organisms covered with

1062
00:52:20,260 --> 00:52:17,690
corals and sea squirts or whatever they

1063
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:20,270
call them sponges that type of thing is

1064
00:52:26,410 --> 00:52:22,130
served like if you took something that's

1065
00:52:29,020 --> 00:52:26,420
a bit rougher and then you took cement

1066
00:52:31,810 --> 00:52:29,030
you know thin layer cement and put it

1067
00:52:34,150 --> 00:52:31,820
over it and smooth everything over and

1068
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:34,160
it would make it look much nicer and

1069
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:35,570
neater that's essentially what's

1070
00:52:42,220 --> 00:52:40,490
happened our usage at Yonaguni so it

1071
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:42,230
gives even more of the impression that

1072
00:52:47,710 --> 00:52:45,410
it's artificial structure and then you

1073
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:47,720
have things like quote postholes people

1074
00:52:54,580 --> 00:52:51,650
that people have thought they saw post

1075
00:52:56,830 --> 00:52:54,590
which are very regularly spaced etc etc

1076
00:52:59,680 --> 00:52:56,840
I've looked at those in detail what they

1077
00:53:04,090 --> 00:52:59,690
are is a long a joint or a fracture in

1078
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the rock little organisms will burrow in

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and they'll make their little home and

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they'll make though actually rode the

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rock away and they'll make a hole

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basically where they're living and these

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00:53:17,380 --> 00:53:15,260
it's very common in biology and marine

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00:53:20,020 --> 00:53:17,390
biology they space themselves very

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evenly because they have their own

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little territory we'll use that term

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loosely and so they make what look like

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very regular structures in geology and

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biology

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you get regularities and patterns all

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the time and they look artificial to the

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00:53:40,060 --> 00:53:38,330
untrained eye well that's really it's

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00:53:42,550 --> 00:53:40,070
incredible sight I would never

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00:53:45,310 --> 00:53:42,560
discourage anyone from going there it's

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00:53:47,290 --> 00:53:45,320
it's a one of the wonders of the world

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00:53:50,860 --> 00:53:47,300
it just is more natural than artificial

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00:53:53,170 --> 00:53:50,870
in my assessment well we will we will

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continue to disagree but you know we'll

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00:53:57,970 --> 00:53:55,250
see well you have to go there we should

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00:54:00,190 --> 00:53:57,980
take a trip with you shouldn't that be

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00:54:03,730 --> 00:54:00,200
fun we should take a trip and I want to

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clarify and we could do your radio show

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00:54:08,380 --> 00:54:05,900
from underwater oh man it will be so

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00:54:10,030 --> 00:54:08,390
cool don't worry I'm joking because they

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00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:10,040
do have these things where you can talk

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00:54:19,330 --> 00:54:15,170
and whatnot does Cady scuba dive not to

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00:54:21,010 --> 00:54:19,340
my knowledge she can learn it's not hard

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00:54:24,970 --> 00:54:21,020
if I can do it anyone could do it well

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00:54:27,700 --> 00:54:24,980
her her mother her water type her and

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00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:27,710
really could do produce the show form on

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00:54:33,940 --> 00:54:32,330
deck by notice I know she does plenty of

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00:54:35,530 --> 00:54:33,950
snorkeling and that type of thing so

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00:54:38,260 --> 00:54:35,540
scuba is not that far from at me

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00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:38,270
actually I find scuba diving easier than

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00:54:44,590 --> 00:54:42,050
more I I find it easier to scuba dive

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00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:44,600
than to snorkel personally now we've got

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00:54:49,750 --> 00:54:46,370
two minutes before the break and I need

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00:54:52,780 --> 00:54:49,760
some clarification from you you said

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00:54:56,260 --> 00:54:52,790
earlier sort of maybe about three times

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00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:56,270
is that an academic term Robert yeah

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00:55:00,400 --> 00:54:57,770
what you know what we do when we're in

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academia we say sort of maybe when we

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don't want to be totally committed

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because it always sounds bad when I

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could

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because totally committed to something

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because that's not the way we are we

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always look for evidence we're always

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00:55:17,230 --> 00:55:15,200
open to changing our mind so we John

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00:55:18,809 --> 00:55:17,240
Wester used to make fun of me for this

1131
00:55:22,300 --> 00:55:18,819
he said you know I talked about my

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00:55:24,190 --> 00:55:22,310
hypothesis well you know my working

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00:55:26,559 --> 00:55:24,200
hypothesis well that's what I believe at

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00:55:30,569 --> 00:55:26,569
the moment but I'm open to changing my

1135
00:55:34,030 --> 00:55:30,579
mind if evidence comes in that merits

1136
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:34,040
rethinking something sort of maybe man I

1137
00:55:38,890 --> 00:55:36,170
can't wait that's that's a colloquial

1138
00:55:41,349 --> 00:55:38,900
version I can't wait to use that in a

1139
00:55:42,940 --> 00:55:41,359
sentence now when we come back after the

1140
00:55:45,730 --> 00:55:42,950
break we've got a lot to talk about I

1141
00:55:48,430 --> 00:55:45,740
want to get to all of the latest news

1142
00:55:49,750 --> 00:55:48,440
out of Giza there's a ton of it because

1143
00:55:53,170 --> 00:55:49,760
we're going to spend the rest of the

1144
00:55:55,210 --> 00:55:53,180
show talking about what happened 12,000

1145
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:55,220
years ago we've got to talk about the

1146
00:55:59,109 --> 00:55:57,290
end of the last ice age all of your

1147
00:56:01,000 --> 00:55:59,119
latest research there's a lot of stuff

1148
00:56:02,890 --> 00:56:01,010
to get through and when we come back

1149
00:56:06,460 --> 00:56:02,900
after the break we'll start with Giza

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00:56:09,609 --> 00:56:06,470
you ready to go ready let's do this our

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00:56:10,569 --> 00:56:09,619
guest tonight a dr. Robert M shock I am

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your host Amy Church

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this is fade to black on the game

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changer Network in kg RA the planet and

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I did see up in Twitter the lego area 51

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set and I got to know is that real

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because if it is Rita I need some Legos

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this is fade to black I'm use to the

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church we right back over dr. Schaack

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right after this stay with us

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[Music]

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welcome back fade to black I'm real

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shimmy Church tonight our guest dr.

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Robert M shock what a great name Robert

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M shock it's perfect for me this is fade

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to black on the game changer network and

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kg RA the planet can follow me on

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twitter @ JT radio and dr. Schaack has a

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Twitter account he hasn't used in about

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15 years since the start of Twitter but

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we have it up there it is dr. Robert M

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shock and we have it up there and

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Twitter maybe you'll pay attention to

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Twitter these days it's going to be huge

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they say that Twitter might get big dr.

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Schaack now huh yeah yeah I don't know I

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believe that when the President of the

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United States starts using it I'm with

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you on that we'll have to wait and see

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and now check this out and I love a good

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conspiracy a couple of this one involves

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you a couple of months ago I had a guest

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01:03:06,100 --> 01:03:02,240
on the show that just got back from

1288
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Egypt and in Giza and and reported back

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to me live on the air with this saying

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that they were traveling south into

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Saqqara right off of the plateau and

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then off to their right it's still in

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01:03:27,940 --> 01:03:24,010
giza off to their right is a NASA

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01:03:30,130 --> 01:03:27,950
warehouse that says NASA on the side of

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it with NASA trucks and then they

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01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:32,680
started to notice NASA trucks next to

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the Great Pyramid hmm well that's your

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answer

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what do they know anything what you know

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did they give any more information

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that's what I depend on the u.s. system

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yes very interesting I don't know I

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don't know two months ago just got back

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here two months ago Wow now you're gonna

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be you're gonna be out there which I'm

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going to be out there in May and June

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you're gonna be out there man soon

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you're gonna do some filming too as well

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I hope so yes okay and will because

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we're working on a documentary with Jim

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field who you and I have talked to

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spoken about this off the air and yeah

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we're going to put together a

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documentary with Jim fields who is

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award-winning filmmaker and this is with

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Oracle the organization for the research

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of ancient cultures the nonprofit and

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yeah we're very excited about this

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project

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yeah he is he is really really good and

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for everybody out there Jim fields was

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the director of the ramones documentary

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that came out a couple of years ago yeah

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end of the century end of the century it

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is a tremendous film he is so talented

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and so do me a favor make sure that he

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gets a shot of that NASA warehouse well

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if we find it and if it's still there

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and we are allowed to get a shot of it

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we will I have to be careful though

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because as well you've not been to Egypt

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you've never been to you know you have

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got to come to Egypt with me sometime

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01:05:20,380 --> 01:05:18,680
with ABI you and Rita and maybe sound a

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01:05:22,450 --> 01:05:20,390
what do you call it the fate or not it's

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01:05:24,490 --> 01:05:22,460
a fader no come along yeah we could have

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01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:24,500
a Phaedra not to Egypt trip sometime I

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01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:28,490
can't wait for that oh yes a great time

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01:05:31,870 --> 01:05:30,290
but one thing you'll learn is that you

1340
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:31,880
do have to be careful in Egypt and

1341
01:05:37,540 --> 01:05:33,650
sometimes they do not like things

1342
01:05:39,490 --> 01:05:37,550
photographed or filmed so you have to be

1343
01:05:43,180 --> 01:05:39,500
careful for they're gonna hate me the

1344
01:05:45,430 --> 01:05:43,190
selfie King too as well you've always

1345
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:45,440
got the camera at the ready so I know

1346
01:05:52,630 --> 01:05:48,530
I'm I take pictures of everything I take

1347
01:05:54,700 --> 01:05:52,640
pictures of everything but in Egypt I do

1348
01:05:57,040 --> 01:05:54,710
am careful and you know you don't take

1349
01:06:00,250 --> 01:05:57,050
pictures of military installations that

1350
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:00,260
type of thing no Uganda I'm the tourist

1351
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:01,970
sites they're usually pretty very

1352
01:06:05,500 --> 01:06:03,890
they're usually good about but they will

1353
01:06:08,140 --> 01:06:05,510
tell you bluntly if you can't take

1354
01:06:09,670 --> 01:06:08,150
pictures of this and that in the past it

1355
01:06:10,900 --> 01:06:09,680
was sometimes they simply didn't want

1356
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:10,910
you to take pictures because they want

1357
01:06:16,150 --> 01:06:13,610
to sell postcards or books you know what

1358
01:06:19,180 --> 01:06:16,160
simple as that well you're gonna be out

1359
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:19,190
there in May and we just said this and

1360
01:06:26,530 --> 01:06:22,850
June just had this terrorist bombing of

1361
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:26,540
a tourist bus there in Giza still in the

1362
01:06:30,730 --> 01:06:29,090
city it wasn't like it was at the base

1363
01:06:34,059 --> 01:06:30,740
of the pyramids

1364
01:06:37,450 --> 01:06:34,069
no but nonetheless are you concerned

1365
01:06:39,099 --> 01:06:37,460
about safety well no you I think you

1366
01:06:42,150 --> 01:06:39,109
always have to be concerned about safety

1367
01:06:45,039 --> 01:06:42,160
anywhere you go that includes America

1368
01:06:47,859 --> 01:06:45,049
because I don't want get on tangent but

1369
01:06:50,170 --> 01:06:47,869
we certainly have issues in America I

1370
01:06:53,829 --> 01:06:50,180
grew up in Washington DC I was born in

1371
01:06:55,750 --> 01:06:53,839
Washington DC so I've always been wary

1372
01:06:58,450 --> 01:06:55,760
that type of thing I'm certainly that

1373
01:07:02,349 --> 01:06:58,460
way when traveling and other countries

1374
01:07:05,589 --> 01:07:02,359
including Asia but to the specific point

1375
01:07:08,410 --> 01:07:05,599
is a horrible thing what happened in

1376
01:07:11,079 --> 01:07:08,420
terms of the bombing it was a bomb that

1377
01:07:13,329 --> 01:07:11,089
went off it was late last year just

1378
01:07:16,150 --> 01:07:13,339
before a couple of days before New Year

1379
01:07:18,910 --> 01:07:16,160
and it was I know exactly where it

1380
01:07:21,670 --> 01:07:18,920
occurred I looked it up immediately I'm

1381
01:07:25,029 --> 01:07:21,680
familiar with the area it's not someone

1382
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:25,039
it's not somewhere someone like myself

1383
01:07:30,940 --> 01:07:28,490
will ever go personally or certainly not

1384
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:30,950
take tourists personally I don't know

1385
01:07:37,900 --> 01:07:35,210
why that tourist bus was there it was a

1386
01:07:41,650 --> 01:07:37,910
bomb as I understand that was planted in

1387
01:07:43,749 --> 01:07:41,660
our behind wall so that was concealed it

1388
01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:43,759
was a place where there wasn't as much

1389
01:07:49,749 --> 01:07:46,130
military security as there is other

1390
01:07:52,509 --> 01:07:49,759
places Egypt is really a very very

1391
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:52,519
secure country it's a very safe country

1392
01:07:57,460 --> 01:07:55,130
in my assessment when something like

1393
01:08:01,120 --> 01:07:57,470
that this happens it's a horrible

1394
01:08:03,579 --> 01:08:01,130
horrible situation but it's not the norm

1395
01:08:07,109 --> 01:08:03,589
in Egypt it really is not the norm in

1396
01:08:12,730 --> 01:08:07,119
Egypt and as soon as it happened within

1397
01:08:14,980 --> 01:08:12,740
the 24 hours or less the government knew

1398
01:08:19,059 --> 01:08:14,990
what was going on they researched it

1399
01:08:21,700 --> 01:08:19,069
they cracked down they actually I this

1400
01:08:26,010 --> 01:08:21,710
is you know I I hate even thinking of it

1401
01:08:30,820 --> 01:08:26,020
this way but 4d terrorists were killed

1402
01:08:34,149 --> 01:08:30,830
and essentially what they he there's a

1403
01:08:37,860 --> 01:08:34,159
war they have a war internal war against

1404
01:08:41,740 --> 01:08:37,870
terrorists and terrorism and in Egypt

1405
01:08:43,870 --> 01:08:41,750
it's always been the case that they

1406
01:08:47,019 --> 01:08:43,880
cracked down hard I think

1407
01:08:49,419 --> 01:08:47,029
felice Oh to keep their country stable

1408
01:08:51,039 --> 01:08:49,429
and safe so in my assessment and I've

1409
01:08:53,079 --> 01:08:51,049
been going back and forth to Egypt for

1410
01:08:56,260 --> 01:08:53,089
three decades now

1411
01:09:00,039 --> 01:08:56,270
I think it's as safe as it's ever been

1412
01:09:03,099 --> 01:09:00,049
in fact safer than it has been in many

1413
01:09:08,229 --> 01:09:03,109
years at this immediate point in time

1414
01:09:11,289 --> 01:09:08,239
now what is interesting for me that in

1415
01:09:13,090 --> 01:09:11,299
this audience with your research when

1416
01:09:15,180 --> 01:09:13,100
you go back to the original stuff that

1417
01:09:18,820 --> 01:09:15,190
you did with John Anthony West jaws and

1418
01:09:20,860 --> 01:09:18,830
you started to run into these dates the

1419
01:09:23,590 --> 01:09:20,870
others out there Robert Bauval and of

1420
01:09:27,030 --> 01:09:23,600
course Graham Hancock and others started

1421
01:09:30,970 --> 01:09:27,040
to look at this very consistent date of

1422
01:09:35,979 --> 01:09:30,980
10,500 BC of course gobekli tepe comes

1423
01:09:39,820 --> 01:09:35,989
into play and this date starts to spread

1424
01:09:41,890 --> 01:09:39,830
around the world in different regions

1425
01:09:45,999 --> 01:09:41,900
different civilizations different

1426
01:09:49,289 --> 01:09:46,009
cultures this date now is very very

1427
01:09:52,059 --> 01:09:49,299
consistent and it not only coincides

1428
01:09:55,090 --> 01:09:52,069
your original research going back with

1429
01:09:58,810 --> 01:09:55,100
John Anthony West but it's now out there

1430
01:10:01,689 --> 01:09:58,820
it's almost to the point now that it is

1431
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:01,699
an accepted date of something that

1432
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:04,610
happened here on this planet not only

1433
01:10:10,419 --> 01:10:07,130
throughout our community but in academia

1434
01:10:12,669 --> 01:10:10,429
how does that make you feel oh it makes

1435
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:12,679
me feel good I guess I mean that people

1436
01:10:18,100 --> 01:10:15,650
are really recognizing this and more

1437
01:10:20,500 --> 01:10:18,110
importantly I don't you know I I do care

1438
01:10:22,930 --> 01:10:20,510
that people recognize it that's nice etc

1439
01:10:24,930 --> 01:10:22,940
but what's really important is exactly

1440
01:10:27,610 --> 01:10:24,940
what you said that you have this

1441
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:27,620
consistency of the evidence around the

1442
01:10:34,169 --> 01:10:30,050
world and I believe that the consistency

1443
01:10:37,180 --> 01:10:34,179
of the evidence is that we have a high

1444
01:10:39,910 --> 01:10:37,190
civilization a psycho civilization

1445
01:10:41,830 --> 01:10:39,920
whatever you want to call it at the end

1446
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:41,840
of the last ice age that's the ten

1447
01:10:49,570 --> 01:10:44,690
thousand to ten thousand 500 BC your

1448
01:10:51,700 --> 01:10:49,580
sighting and that all collapses shortly

1449
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:51,710
thereafter when I say shortly thereafter

1450
01:10:57,730 --> 01:10:54,650
based on Greenland ice cores we can now

1451
01:10:59,680 --> 01:10:57,740
date it very precisely to 9700 B

1452
01:11:02,260 --> 01:10:59,690
see which is the end of the last ice age

1453
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:02,270
which is also the same time that played

1454
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:06,010
a way back one said that Atlantis

1455
01:11:11,830 --> 01:11:09,530
collapsed our lentes was destroyed by

1456
01:11:13,270 --> 01:11:11,840
natural cataclysms so you've got

1457
01:11:15,010 --> 01:11:13,280
everything from Plato which you know

1458
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:15,020
when I was a graduate student people

1459
01:11:18,910 --> 01:11:16,570
would laugh if you would take Plato

1460
01:11:23,020 --> 01:11:18,920
seriously but now I think we do have to

1461
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:23,030
acknowledge that he is talking the same

1462
01:11:29,170 --> 01:11:26,210
timeframe that modern science and

1463
01:11:32,770 --> 01:11:29,180
mardian modern archaeology and modern

1464
01:11:36,070 --> 01:11:32,780
analysis of linguistic evidence modern

1465
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:36,080
analyses of archeoastronomy Robert

1466
01:11:41,830 --> 01:11:39,050
Bauval course comes in heavily there as

1467
01:11:44,050 --> 01:11:41,840
a real founder of the current wave of

1468
01:11:47,410 --> 01:11:44,060
archaeal astronomy even though it gets

1469
01:11:50,110 --> 01:11:47,420
back to the 19th century all of this

1470
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:50,120
evidence ancient mythologies and tracing

1471
01:11:55,860 --> 01:11:51,890
back the origins of ancient mythologies

1472
01:12:00,220 --> 01:11:55,870
it all goes back to that period of about

1473
01:12:04,630 --> 01:12:00,230
9000 I would place about 9700 BC back to

1474
01:12:09,570 --> 01:12:04,640
about 10,500 as you're citing that

1475
01:12:12,810 --> 01:12:09,580
period there was a major civilization

1476
01:12:17,440 --> 01:12:12,820
sophistication on the planet Earth that

1477
01:12:21,220 --> 01:12:17,450
was devastated and well it's gotten to

1478
01:12:22,900 --> 01:12:21,230
the moon destroyed 9700 BC Zep tepi

1479
01:12:24,970 --> 01:12:22,910
were you starting to say Zep tepi you

1480
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:24,980
know it's gotten to guess and it's

1481
01:12:30,420 --> 01:12:28,250
gotten to the point where when I start

1482
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:30,430
to read an article or I hear a

1483
01:12:36,340 --> 01:12:33,530
researcher say we've been looking into

1484
01:12:40,270 --> 01:12:36,350
this and and it's like I can already

1485
01:12:42,820 --> 01:12:40,280
hear the year right I can already hear

1486
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:42,830
it it everything keeps pointing back to

1487
01:12:48,550 --> 01:12:46,130
this which takes it takes us to this the

1488
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:48,560
this crater up in Greenland now I want

1489
01:12:52,660 --> 01:12:50,210
to spend some time on this yeah yeah so

1490
01:12:54,070 --> 01:12:52,670
so Zep tepi biwi dimensions up Tepe just

1491
01:12:56,500 --> 01:12:54,080
because I thought you said it but maybe

1492
01:12:58,950 --> 01:12:56,510
you weren't saying it but this is what

1493
01:13:03,010 --> 01:12:58,960
the Egyptians called this early period

1494
01:13:05,440 --> 01:13:03,020
Zep tepi the beginning the when I say

1495
01:13:09,940 --> 01:13:05,450
the Egyptians the dynastic Egyptians of

1496
01:13:11,740 --> 01:13:09,950
going back 5,000 or so years ago 4,500

1497
01:13:13,810 --> 01:13:11,750
5,000 years ago

1498
01:13:16,630 --> 01:13:13,820
they were talking about this earlier

1499
01:13:18,940 --> 01:13:16,640
period that you know all the

1500
01:13:21,790 --> 01:13:18,950
Egyptologists all the historians had

1501
01:13:25,060 --> 01:13:21,800
dismissed as again the same level as

1502
01:13:28,420 --> 01:13:25,070
Atlantis and Plato is just a myth but it

1503
01:13:34,060 --> 01:13:28,430
turns out we now have evidence for it

1504
01:13:36,250 --> 01:13:34,070
and the when we go to the the builders

1505
01:13:39,370 --> 01:13:36,260
script and we start to talk about that

1506
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:39,380
where other researchers out there even

1507
01:13:44,050 --> 01:13:41,330
professional academics will go well you

1508
01:13:45,790 --> 01:13:44,060
know even in Egypt they don't talk about

1509
01:13:54,370 --> 01:13:45,800
the flood myth you know they don't refer

1510
01:13:56,620 --> 01:13:54,380
to Atlantis what yes they did but back

1511
01:13:59,470 --> 01:13:56,630
to Greenland because when that when the

1512
01:14:02,230 --> 01:13:59,480
news broke on this about three weeks ago

1513
01:14:06,070 --> 01:14:02,240
and I start to read the article I like I

1514
01:14:07,270 --> 01:14:06,080
just said I somehow felt right and then

1515
01:14:11,650 --> 01:14:07,280
right there

1516
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:11,660
you know 12,000 years ago is out of the

1517
01:14:17,590 --> 01:14:14,090
breaking news yeah but that that's

1518
01:14:20,590 --> 01:14:17,600
misleading because you also get what

1519
01:14:22,420 --> 01:14:20,600
becomes a cycle of everyone then jumps

1520
01:14:24,550 --> 01:14:22,430
on this date and if they don't have a

1521
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:24,560
date for something then they put it at

1522
01:14:29,980 --> 01:14:26,810
that date and that's not necessarily

1523
01:14:32,350 --> 01:14:29,990
real the Hiawatha crater that you're

1524
01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:32,360
talking about under the Greenland ice

1525
01:14:38,410 --> 01:14:35,330
that had been known for some time but

1526
01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:38,420
now has really been analyzed etc it's

1527
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:40,370
Pleistocene and we know that's

1528
01:14:45,010 --> 01:14:42,650
Pleistocene based on a strategic V

1529
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:45,020
excetera that doesn't mean it's

1530
01:14:50,170 --> 01:14:47,810
necessarily this period I mean well the

1531
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:50,180
Pleistocene covers about two and a half

1532
01:14:56,050 --> 01:14:53,210
million years roughly and it could be

1533
01:14:57,730 --> 01:14:56,060
anywhere in that is it probably later in

1534
01:15:00,370 --> 01:14:57,740
the Pleistocene yes but it's not

1535
01:15:03,670 --> 01:15:00,380
necessarily terminal Pleistocene it's

1536
01:15:07,420 --> 01:15:03,680
not necessarily this period this gets

1537
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:07,430
into the whole issue of what brought

1538
01:15:14,620 --> 01:15:11,810
this cycle to it and what caused the end

1539
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:14,630
of the last ice age etc etc and then you

1540
01:15:21,210 --> 01:15:18,770
get into the impact hypothesis

1541
01:15:25,389 --> 01:15:21,220
proponents which has now been

1542
01:15:28,330 --> 01:15:25,399
circulating for now about dozen years

1543
01:15:32,399 --> 01:15:28,340
and evidence whether there was an impact

1544
01:15:35,639 --> 01:15:32,409
or not when I say impactor meteorite or

1545
01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:35,649
asteroid or something like that comment

1546
01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:38,449
they're all variations on theme

1547
01:15:44,979 --> 01:15:41,449
and recently with the Hiawatha crater

1548
01:15:47,020 --> 01:15:44,989
and Greenland a lot of people have

1549
01:15:49,330 --> 01:15:47,030
jumped on that and said what this is the

1550
01:15:51,909 --> 01:15:49,340
evidence of the impact this is the

1551
01:15:55,350 --> 01:15:51,919
crater from it or one of the craters

1552
01:15:58,859 --> 01:15:55,360
from it but the dating isn't even

1553
01:16:01,299 --> 01:15:58,869
secured on that in fact it's really just

1554
01:16:06,009 --> 01:16:01,309
speculation and hypothesis as to whether

1555
01:16:07,810 --> 01:16:06,019
it's that date or not fulfilling

1556
01:16:10,359 --> 01:16:07,820
prophecy someone says oh you know

1557
01:16:12,549 --> 01:16:10,369
they're here we've got we have this

1558
01:16:14,859 --> 01:16:12,559
hypothesis here we find a crater oh that

1559
01:16:17,139 --> 01:16:14,869
crater must be tied in with this

1560
01:16:20,290 --> 01:16:17,149
hypothesis it must date to that period

1561
01:16:22,060 --> 01:16:20,300
but you look at the actual data in the

1562
01:16:24,669 --> 01:16:22,070
actual research paper it doesn't say

1563
01:16:26,979 --> 01:16:24,679
that at all in fact it's very ambiguous

1564
01:16:30,369 --> 01:16:26,989
I mean the evidence is ambiguous as to

1565
01:16:33,549 --> 01:16:30,379
what the date of that is well what an

1566
01:16:38,339 --> 01:16:33,559
impact crater that big would it cause

1567
01:16:41,469 --> 01:16:38,349
the end of the last ice age or no that

1568
01:16:43,929 --> 01:16:41,479
continued the ice age yeah yeah this is

1569
01:16:46,719 --> 01:16:43,939
actually another thing that a lot of

1570
01:16:48,279 --> 01:16:46,729
people get very confused by and I'm glad

1571
01:16:51,839 --> 01:16:48,289
you brought it up so that we can clarify

1572
01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:51,849
it those that have suggested there was

1573
01:16:57,159 --> 01:16:54,050
impact a comet

1574
01:16:59,949 --> 01:16:57,169
meteorite meteor becoming a meteorite

1575
01:17:02,379 --> 01:16:59,959
hits asteroid that type of thing those

1576
01:17:05,020 --> 01:17:02,389
talk in terms of a comet maybe a breakup

1577
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:05,030
in the atmosphere and a bunch of

1578
01:17:11,469 --> 01:17:08,449
particles coming down that they're

1579
01:17:13,719 --> 01:17:11,479
really referring to what's known as the

1580
01:17:16,379 --> 01:17:13,729
Younger Dryas the beginning of the

1581
01:17:21,669 --> 01:17:16,389
Younger Dryas ten thousand nine hundred

1582
01:17:24,489 --> 01:17:21,679
BC and what you get from a feature like

1583
01:17:27,580 --> 01:17:24,499
that from an incident like that impact

1584
01:17:32,379 --> 01:17:27,590
is usually from what we understand of

1585
01:17:34,540 --> 01:17:32,389
the past geological cycles you get a

1586
01:17:36,790 --> 01:17:34,550
cooling event because you put a lot of

1587
01:17:39,300 --> 01:17:36,800
dust and debris into the atmosphere you

1588
01:17:41,669 --> 01:17:39,310
block out the Sun

1589
01:17:43,770 --> 01:17:41,679
you essentially get a cooling event and

1590
01:17:47,069 --> 01:17:43,780
what you have at ten thousand nine

1591
01:17:49,859 --> 01:17:47,079
hundred BC is that the Ice Age was

1592
01:17:52,830 --> 01:17:49,869
beginning to warm some and then you have

1593
01:17:55,950 --> 01:17:52,840
a cooling event for twelve hundred years

1594
01:18:00,270 --> 01:17:55,960
before you have the final snap out of

1595
01:18:03,899 --> 01:18:00,280
the Ice Age at 9700 BC and what is

1596
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:03,909
interesting is that your 10,500 BC that

1597
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:05,530
you were just talking about a lot of

1598
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:07,690
people talk about that's actually during

1599
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:10,810
the Younger Dryas that's after the so

1600
01:18:16,819 --> 01:18:14,050
called comet impact if there was a comet

1601
01:18:21,780 --> 01:18:16,829
impact at that time and it's before the

1602
01:18:23,910 --> 01:18:21,790
ultimate end of the last ice age so it's

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01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:23,920
really there there's several different

1604
01:18:30,030 --> 01:18:27,610
things going on there but the bottom

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01:18:31,890 --> 01:18:30,040
line is even at ten thousand nine

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01:18:35,189 --> 01:18:31,900
hundred BC and I've looked at the

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01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:35,199
evidence very carefully I continue to

1608
01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:37,690
look at is more comes out it comes out

1609
01:18:42,660 --> 01:18:41,170
and I've been analyzing it and at one

1610
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:42,670
point I was convinced that there was a

1611
01:18:50,910 --> 01:18:46,570
comet or an impactor but looking at the

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01:18:54,300 --> 01:18:50,920
evidence critically it's non diagnostic

1613
01:18:58,379 --> 01:18:54,310
it's non definitive in my assessment in

1614
01:19:01,319 --> 01:18:58,389
my opinion and from my training and it

1615
01:19:04,859 --> 01:19:01,329
can point either to a comment or

1616
01:19:07,500 --> 01:19:04,869
impactor or to the Sun and I believe now

1617
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:07,510
that all the evidence is pointing to the

1618
01:19:16,229 --> 01:19:10,810
Sun and solar events everything from

1619
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:16,239
vitrified Rock to nano diamonds to

1620
01:19:23,790 --> 01:19:20,290
shocked quartz etc etc can come from a

1621
01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:23,800
solar event a major major solar event

1622
01:19:31,620 --> 01:19:27,449
the likes of which we've never seen in

1623
01:19:35,250 --> 01:19:31,630
historical times when the Sun throws out

1624
01:19:38,129 --> 01:19:35,260
huge balls of our nose plasma

1625
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:38,139
it's basically gaseous if you would are

1626
01:19:44,370 --> 01:19:41,290
charged particles coming at us at

1627
01:19:47,490 --> 01:19:44,380
relativistic speeds hitting earth and in

1628
01:19:50,939 --> 01:19:47,500
fact interestingly a solar event like

1629
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:50,949
that can carve craters it can create

1630
01:19:55,480 --> 01:19:52,250
craters we know the

1631
01:19:58,120 --> 01:19:55,490
from the moon we know this from evidence

1632
01:19:59,770 --> 01:19:58,130
that's coming from Mars now so you can

1633
01:20:02,980 --> 01:19:59,780
actually get what looked like impact

1634
01:20:07,690 --> 01:20:02,990
craters that most people conventionally

1635
01:20:10,870 --> 01:20:07,700
would call yeah would say as the result

1636
01:20:12,700 --> 01:20:10,880
of meteorites or comets or asteroids you

1637
01:20:14,590 --> 01:20:12,710
can actually get that from plasma

1638
01:20:17,530 --> 01:20:14,600
discharges from the Sun from solar

1639
01:20:19,690 --> 01:20:17,540
events too so the bottom line is that

1640
01:20:21,700 --> 01:20:19,700
some of evidence is very ambiguous in

1641
01:20:24,550 --> 01:20:21,710
non-diagnostic but I do think we have

1642
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:24,560
other evidence that's quite distinctive

1643
01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:26,810
and diagnostic employee pointing to

1644
01:20:31,150 --> 01:20:29,090
actually the Sun being the main culprit

1645
01:20:33,480 --> 01:20:31,160
as to what was happening at the end of

1646
01:20:35,410 --> 01:20:33,490
the last ice age okay let's define

1647
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:35,420
because we're gonna spend so much time

1648
01:20:40,930 --> 01:20:37,610
on this right now let's define exactly

1649
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:40,940
what we're talking about the comet okay

1650
01:20:47,230 --> 01:20:44,090
if we're gonna have some type of you

1651
01:20:50,770 --> 01:20:47,240
know Cataclysm some type of major event

1652
01:20:53,350 --> 01:20:50,780
here yeah and but there there's I just

1653
01:20:57,100 --> 01:20:53,360
want to point out that as we're talking

1654
01:20:59,800 --> 01:20:57,110
about there is lots of evidence of a

1655
01:21:03,310 --> 01:20:59,810
major event at the end of the last ice

1656
01:21:06,790 --> 01:21:03,320
age the 9700 BC great I was talking

1657
01:21:09,700 --> 01:21:06,800
about you have a incredible literally

1658
01:21:12,010 --> 01:21:09,710
overnight and this is based on sediment

1659
01:21:14,590 --> 01:21:12,020
cores Greenland ice cores etc you have

1660
01:21:17,370 --> 01:21:14,600
incredible temperature changes at that

1661
01:21:20,500 --> 01:21:17,380
time you have in the geologic record

1662
01:21:23,860 --> 01:21:20,510
earthquake activity volcanic activity

1663
01:21:29,140 --> 01:21:23,870
accelerated by orders of magnitude you

1664
01:21:31,830 --> 01:21:29,150
have evidence of at 9700 BC incredible

1665
01:21:35,620 --> 01:21:31,840
extinction events of large mammals

1666
01:21:39,310 --> 01:21:35,630
across the face of North America and

1667
01:21:40,900 --> 01:21:39,320
around the world so you have and this is

1668
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:40,910
a little bit of the evidence you have

1669
01:21:44,500 --> 01:21:43,130
lots of evidence of something major

1670
01:21:47,230 --> 01:21:44,510
happening then you actually have

1671
01:21:50,110 --> 01:21:47,240
extinction of humans a die-off of humans

1672
01:21:52,090 --> 01:21:50,120
and a restriction and then you can see

1673
01:21:54,310 --> 01:21:52,100
even linguistic evidence how they were

1674
01:21:57,330 --> 01:21:54,320
restricted to a small pocket and then

1675
01:22:00,610 --> 01:21:57,340
spread out again so there was a major

1676
01:22:03,350 --> 01:22:00,620
Cataclysm a major catastrophe at the end

1677
01:22:06,380 --> 01:22:03,360
of the last ice age now

1678
01:22:09,650 --> 01:22:06,390
what are we talking about here when we

1679
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:09,660
are dealing with temperature changes we

1680
01:22:13,150 --> 01:22:11,250
know about the woolly mammoth and we

1681
01:22:15,590 --> 01:22:13,160
know that they were frozen in spot right

1682
01:22:17,870 --> 01:22:15,600
yeah some cases now that's a little

1683
01:22:20,660 --> 01:22:17,880
earlier because then later they we have

1684
01:22:22,130 --> 01:22:20,670
a huge upswing in temperature so that's

1685
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:22,140
what I'm saying if you go back into the

1686
01:22:26,570 --> 01:22:24,330
last ice age there are several different

1687
01:22:28,820 --> 01:22:26,580
things happening at different periods

1688
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:28,830
I'm actually focusing more in the very

1689
01:22:32,900 --> 01:22:31,290
end of the last ice age but in terms of

1690
01:22:35,860 --> 01:22:32,910
temperature changes in some places

1691
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:35,870
locally you could be talking several

1692
01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:39,930
tens of degrees Fahrenheit change very

1693
01:22:44,630 --> 01:22:41,970
very very mean literally overnight I

1694
01:22:47,900 --> 01:22:44,640
mean yeah up or down though that's what

1695
01:22:50,900 --> 01:22:47,910
I'm asking because awaking it and at the

1696
01:22:53,030 --> 01:22:50,910
end of within the ice age for instance

1697
01:22:55,490 --> 01:22:53,040
when you had began the Younger Dryas you

1698
01:22:57,650 --> 01:22:55,500
were going down and but that was less

1699
01:22:59,630 --> 01:22:57,660
temperature difference in at the very

1700
01:23:03,020 --> 01:22:59,640
end of the ice age when it went up

1701
01:23:05,420 --> 01:23:03,030
dramatically and so and you had

1702
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:05,430
virtually instantaneous melting for

1703
01:23:09,440 --> 01:23:07,410
instance of glaciers that type of which

1704
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:09,450
is where I'm going what yeah

1705
01:23:15,290 --> 01:23:11,370
so when we're talking about a mile or

1706
01:23:18,440 --> 01:23:15,300
two of ice right literally stacked up to

1707
01:23:20,990 --> 01:23:18,450
to melt the ice I would think that it

1708
01:23:23,810 --> 01:23:21,000
would take you know tens of thousands of

1709
01:23:27,470 --> 01:23:23,820
years I don't care how warm it is but

1710
01:23:29,690 --> 01:23:27,480
that certainly was a case that was not

1711
01:23:32,270 --> 01:23:29,700
the case that was not the case that's

1712
01:23:34,220 --> 01:23:32,280
what you would think that's what I used

1713
01:23:37,460 --> 01:23:34,230
to think when I was a graduate student

1714
01:23:39,740 --> 01:23:37,470
and we used to laugh about old maybe you

1715
01:23:41,810 --> 01:23:39,750
know it only took a few centuries hahaha

1716
01:23:44,450 --> 01:23:41,820
well we can't really say that because we

1717
01:23:47,450 --> 01:23:44,460
all get flunked out right now we know

1718
01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:47,460
that it literally happened there's a

1719
01:23:51,170 --> 01:23:49,410
paper that came out maybe ten years ago

1720
01:23:53,660 --> 01:23:51,180
that was talking about maybe happened in

1721
01:23:56,150 --> 01:23:53,670
three years maybe five years that type

1722
01:23:58,820 --> 01:23:56,160
of thing and that was like crazy crazy

1723
01:24:01,360 --> 01:23:58,830
talk we thought now we know it literally

1724
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:01,370
happened overnight and we have in

1725
01:24:05,870 --> 01:24:04,530
sediment cores in ice cores etc I mean

1726
01:24:07,490 --> 01:24:05,880
when I say literally overnight the

1727
01:24:09,620 --> 01:24:07,500
resolution is such that you can see it

1728
01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:09,630
within it happened within a couple of

1729
01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:12,090
weeks but the resolution isn't any

1730
01:24:15,710 --> 01:24:13,170
better than that

1731
01:24:17,330 --> 01:24:15,720
and for all practical purposes when we

1732
01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:17,340
were talking overnight at

1733
01:24:21,410 --> 01:24:19,290
literally was overnight now how would

1734
01:24:23,930 --> 01:24:21,420
you get that it's not buy all of a

1735
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:23,940
sudden warming the general atmosphere

1736
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:26,570
temperature by you know how many degrees

1737
01:24:31,399 --> 01:24:29,010
think of it this way if you all of a

1738
01:24:34,970 --> 01:24:31,409
sudden you take a blowtorch to something

1739
01:24:37,879 --> 01:24:34,980
and you zap it with incredible

1740
01:24:39,740 --> 01:24:37,889
temperature with incredible heat that

1741
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:39,750
will do it in what we had

1742
01:24:46,490 --> 01:24:43,050
based on my reconstruction other

1743
01:24:50,750 --> 01:24:46,500
especially astrophysicists people like

1744
01:24:52,490 --> 01:24:50,760
Anthony dr. anthony peratt or Atmos

1745
01:24:54,439 --> 01:24:52,500
Alamos National Laboratory

1746
01:24:56,750 --> 01:24:54,449
he's a plasma physicist who's been

1747
01:24:58,910 --> 01:24:56,760
studying this what we had was a major

1748
01:25:01,070 --> 01:24:58,920
solar outbursts something that now some

1749
01:25:03,649 --> 01:25:01,080
people are calling it is a micro Nova

1750
01:25:05,540 --> 01:25:03,659
the Sun having gone micro Nova just

1751
01:25:08,959 --> 01:25:05,550
another way of saying the same thing of

1752
01:25:12,859 --> 01:25:08,969
essentially and we were hit in some

1753
01:25:18,500 --> 01:25:12,869
cases by locally by what would look like

1754
01:25:23,030 --> 01:25:18,510
huge lightning which can you know carry

1755
01:25:25,189 --> 01:25:23,040
incredible temperatures locally so

1756
01:25:28,070 --> 01:25:25,199
lightning hitting something literally

1757
01:25:32,030 --> 01:25:28,080
zapping it incinerating or you know

1758
01:25:33,500 --> 01:25:32,040
melting virtually immediately when we

1759
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:33,510
come back after the break we're gonna

1760
01:25:38,089 --> 01:25:35,730
talk about just that we need to take

1761
01:25:40,370 --> 01:25:38,099
this a little bit further because I I

1762
01:25:42,169 --> 01:25:40,380
need my brain to be clarified if we're

1763
01:25:44,390 --> 01:25:42,179
talking about a comment we're talking

1764
01:25:47,229 --> 01:25:44,400
about a media or some type of strike

1765
01:25:50,990 --> 01:25:47,239
causing this in my mind it says

1766
01:25:52,850 --> 01:25:51,000
temperatures being reduced well if it's

1767
01:25:57,200 --> 01:25:52,860
the other way around and what we're

1768
01:25:59,510 --> 01:25:57,210
talking about a huge CME or solar flare

1769
01:26:01,520 --> 01:25:59,520
or some kind of plasma activity now

1770
01:26:03,859 --> 01:26:01,530
that's the exact opposite we're talking

1771
01:26:06,200 --> 01:26:03,869
about temperatures being raised and

1772
01:26:08,330 --> 01:26:06,210
let's finish this conversation when we

1773
01:26:10,490 --> 01:26:08,340
come back I'm fascinated with this

1774
01:26:13,100 --> 01:26:10,500
something happened and it was right at

1775
01:26:15,109 --> 01:26:13,110
that magical number that magical number

1776
01:26:17,479 --> 01:26:15,119
ten thousand five hundred nine thousand

1777
01:26:20,839 --> 01:26:17,489
seven hundred twelve thousand years ago

1778
01:26:22,850 --> 01:26:20,849
that's why dr. Robert M shock is here

1779
01:26:23,939 --> 01:26:22,860
I'm your host Jimmy church this is fade

1780
01:26:25,830 --> 01:26:23,949
to black

1781
01:26:29,050 --> 01:26:25,840
dr. Schaack right after this short break

1782
01:26:29,060 --> 01:26:38,870
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welcome back beta-blocker I remember

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off with before the break where we are

1867
01:31:22,970 --> 01:31:19,790
talking about these solar events and

1868
01:31:26,840 --> 01:31:22,980
Robert helped me understand what we're

1869
01:31:30,380 --> 01:31:26,850
talking about here in this type of solar

1870
01:31:34,100 --> 01:31:30,390
outburst or mini Nova I am picturing in

1871
01:31:37,850 --> 01:31:34,110
my mind's eye a giant active bright

1872
01:31:40,370 --> 01:31:37,860
cloud of plasma traveling across the

1873
01:31:42,979 --> 01:31:40,380
solar system and earth happened to just

1874
01:31:45,650 --> 01:31:42,989
be in the way is that what we're talking

1875
01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:45,660
about yeah that's one way to picture it

1876
01:31:51,830 --> 01:31:48,570
so a couple of quick comments because as

1877
01:31:53,900 --> 01:31:51,840
you were leading into the last

1878
01:31:56,510 --> 01:31:53,910
commercial break you were talking about

1879
01:31:59,630 --> 01:31:56,520
how a comet would make things colder

1880
01:32:01,790 --> 01:31:59,640
solar outbursts would make things warmer

1881
01:32:04,370 --> 01:32:01,800
or to put another way you were saying

1882
01:32:08,150 --> 01:32:04,380
well is it cold or warm the bottom line

1883
01:32:10,970 --> 01:32:08,160
is what we know geologically is at 9700

1884
01:32:13,330 --> 01:32:10,980
BC we had a dramatic warming event

1885
01:32:15,770 --> 01:32:13,340
that's the end of the last ice age etc

1886
01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:15,780
comet would not do that do that a

1887
01:32:20,180 --> 01:32:18,090
meteorite or asteroid would not do that

1888
01:32:22,100 --> 01:32:20,190
it would generally make it colder which

1889
01:32:25,010 --> 01:32:22,110
is why some people suggested there was

1890
01:32:26,750 --> 01:32:25,020
one at ten thousand nine hundred BC

1891
01:32:28,910 --> 01:32:26,760
because we have the beginning of a

1892
01:32:32,270 --> 01:32:28,920
cooling event but what's really critical

1893
01:32:34,160 --> 01:32:32,280
and where all the civilizations are

1894
01:32:38,120 --> 01:32:34,170
brought to their knees and destroyed

1895
01:32:40,160 --> 01:32:38,130
where arm at the time the time when

1896
01:32:41,870 --> 01:32:40,170
civilizations are brought down and

1897
01:32:44,390 --> 01:32:41,880
destroyed this earlier cycle of

1898
01:32:46,670 --> 01:32:44,400
civilization when we have the major

1899
01:32:50,180 --> 01:32:46,680
extinction events when we have all these

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01:32:53,720 --> 01:32:50,190
other calamities that's 90 700 BC that's

1901
01:32:56,720 --> 01:32:53,730
a major warming event now what you were

1902
01:32:59,060 --> 01:32:56,730
just talking about one way to picture it

1903
01:33:01,790 --> 01:32:59,070
one way to picture it is this huge

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01:33:05,870 --> 01:33:01,800
coronal mass ejection this huge ball of

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01:33:09,080 --> 01:33:05,880
plasma and that type of material you

1906
01:33:12,380 --> 01:33:09,090
know protons electrically charged

1907
01:33:17,250 --> 01:33:12,390
particles of electrons

1908
01:33:20,430 --> 01:33:17,260
hydrogen etc all hurdling toward the

1909
01:33:22,709 --> 01:33:20,440
earth and included with in this

1910
01:33:25,430 --> 01:33:22,719
especially if you have a major one I

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01:33:29,130 --> 01:33:25,440
just want to point this out would be

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01:33:31,740 --> 01:33:29,140
heavier elements also residual heavier

1913
01:33:33,930 --> 01:33:31,750
element so even things like iridium and

1914
01:33:35,850 --> 01:33:33,940
platinum you can get spikes because of

1915
01:33:37,439 --> 01:33:35,860
this I just want to throw that out

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01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:37,449
because sometimes people say well we

1917
01:33:42,540 --> 01:33:39,610
have iridium or platinum spike that must

1918
01:33:44,670 --> 01:33:42,550
prove a meteorite no it doesn't but this

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01:33:47,100 --> 01:33:44,680
would be hurling toward the earth if we

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01:33:50,850 --> 01:33:47,110
happen to be in the way we would be hit

1921
01:33:53,970 --> 01:33:50,860
there are other scenarios however where

1922
01:33:56,220 --> 01:33:53,980
the Sun undergoes a major outburst

1923
01:33:59,400 --> 01:33:56,230
what's been sometimes known as a micro

1924
01:34:02,459 --> 01:33:59,410
nova or a mini nova where in fact you

1925
01:34:04,620 --> 01:34:02,469
get ejecta coming from the Sun full

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01:34:07,530 --> 01:34:04,630
spread if you would and everything is

1927
01:34:09,689 --> 01:34:07,540
being hit and there's no way for the

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01:34:11,400 --> 01:34:09,699
earth to realistically get out the way

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01:34:13,770 --> 01:34:11,410
or the other plans to get out of the way

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01:34:17,729 --> 01:34:13,780
so you have different types of solar

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01:34:20,150 --> 01:34:17,739
outburst either way it could be

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01:34:22,200 --> 01:34:20,160
devastating will be devastating to

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01:34:25,050 --> 01:34:22,210
creatures on the surface of the earth

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01:34:29,070 --> 01:34:25,060
and this is exactly what happened based

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01:34:32,010 --> 01:34:29,080
on the evidence in 9700 BC at the end of

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01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:32,020
the last ice age now we have everything

1937
01:34:36,630 --> 01:34:34,570
that is left behind that different

1938
01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:36,640
researchers have been pointing to which

1939
01:34:41,700 --> 01:34:39,370
is of course you know the vitrified rock

1940
01:34:45,180 --> 01:34:41,710
in the glass and and the shocked quartz

1941
01:34:47,970 --> 01:34:45,190
and nano diamonds is the the big you

1942
01:34:49,470 --> 01:34:47,980
know talk today yeah yeah no no diamonds

1943
01:34:52,020 --> 01:34:49,480
just if I could address that really

1944
01:34:55,410 --> 01:34:52,030
quickly nano diamonds are the big talk

1945
01:34:59,400 --> 01:34:55,420
of the day in some cases daño diamonds

1946
01:35:02,430 --> 01:34:59,410
are really poor evidence in most

1947
01:35:05,870 --> 01:35:02,440
situations because nano diamonds are

1948
01:35:09,900 --> 01:35:05,880
actually quite common and they tend to

1949
01:35:12,390 --> 01:35:09,910
collect as like deposits this is I don't

1950
01:35:14,459 --> 01:35:12,400
mean throw too much geology out but you

1951
01:35:16,410 --> 01:35:14,469
can think about they know diamonds are

1952
01:35:19,110 --> 01:35:16,420
very hard nanos diamonds are just

1953
01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:19,120
incredibly small microscopic diamonds

1954
01:35:24,890 --> 01:35:21,850
and you can get deposits or

1955
01:35:27,140 --> 01:35:24,900
concentrations of Llano diamonds and

1956
01:35:29,990 --> 01:35:27,150
all kinds of situations because they're

1957
01:35:33,560 --> 01:35:30,000
left behind as a residue when everything

1958
01:35:38,120 --> 01:35:33,570
else erodes away or they collect as I

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01:35:42,320 --> 01:35:38,130
said live deposits essentially if you

1960
01:35:44,720 --> 01:35:42,330
think of someone winnowing material or

1961
01:35:46,600 --> 01:35:44,730
someone's panning for gold but in a

1962
01:35:49,130 --> 01:35:46,610
natural setting you get certain things

1963
01:35:51,800 --> 01:35:49,140
coming out and collecting and you get

1964
01:35:54,080 --> 01:35:51,810
that with nano diamonds so in some cases

1965
01:35:56,479 --> 01:35:54,090
you can have collections of nano

1966
01:35:58,490 --> 01:35:56,489
diamonds that actually are much much

1967
01:36:00,439 --> 01:35:58,500
older than the posits they're found in

1968
01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:00,449
then the other problem with nano

1969
01:36:09,410 --> 01:36:05,130
diamonds is nano diamonds that appear to

1970
01:36:11,390 --> 01:36:09,420
be caused by impactors may not

1971
01:36:14,570 --> 01:36:11,400
necessarily be from impactors there's

1972
01:36:19,669 --> 01:36:14,580
evidence that they with shocked quartz

1973
01:36:23,290 --> 01:36:19,679
and other things of the same genre I'll

1974
01:36:25,870 --> 01:36:23,300
use that term can be produced by

1975
01:36:28,399 --> 01:36:25,880
lightning strikes even conventional

1976
01:36:31,040 --> 01:36:28,409
lightning strikes and when we're talking

1977
01:36:32,959 --> 01:36:31,050
about a solar outburst you could think

1978
01:36:36,640 --> 01:36:32,969
of an equivalent of lightning strikes

1979
01:36:40,280 --> 01:36:36,650
but many many many orders of magnitude

1980
01:36:42,530 --> 01:36:40,290
more powerful but even with modern

1981
01:36:45,439 --> 01:36:42,540
lightning strikes in the last two or

1982
01:36:49,220 --> 01:36:45,449
three years there has been an ounce in

1983
01:36:51,470 --> 01:36:49,230
this and evidence indicating that when

1984
01:36:54,229 --> 01:36:51,480
you look at the mineralogy of what's

1985
01:36:57,260 --> 01:36:54,239
formed where a lightning hits rock where

1986
01:37:01,490 --> 01:36:57,270
it hits sand on a beach etc you get all

1987
01:37:04,729 --> 01:37:01,500
these same features that people for so

1988
01:37:08,149 --> 01:37:04,739
long thought could only be caused by

1989
01:37:11,180 --> 01:37:08,159
physical impactors such as meteorites

1990
01:37:13,189 --> 01:37:11,190
and comets and asteroids then I wanted

1991
01:37:16,459 --> 01:37:13,199
to just mention before I forget and you

1992
01:37:18,770 --> 01:37:16,469
just brought up vitrified Rock so for

1993
01:37:20,600 --> 01:37:18,780
instance in Egypt and what's known as

1994
01:37:23,209 --> 01:37:20,610
the Libyan desert all those actually

1995
01:37:27,439 --> 01:37:23,219
Egypt you get the Libyan desert glass

1996
01:37:31,910 --> 01:37:27,449
that covers literally spread out as a

1997
01:37:33,740 --> 01:37:31,920
field of natural glass over about 2,500

1998
01:37:36,709 --> 01:37:33,750
square kilometres if I remember

1999
01:37:38,270 --> 01:37:36,719
correctly a huge vast area the

2000
01:37:38,900 --> 01:37:38,280
conventional view has always been

2001
01:37:41,630 --> 01:37:38,910
mustard

2002
01:37:43,940 --> 01:37:41,640
Meteor ride or something like that but

2003
01:37:47,810 --> 01:37:43,950
there's no crater there's no evidence of

2004
01:37:51,890 --> 01:37:47,820
actual extraterrestrial material it's

2005
01:37:56,180 --> 01:37:51,900
fused quartz and other things that were

2006
01:37:58,790 --> 01:37:56,190
heated to a incredibly high degree arm

2007
01:38:02,780 --> 01:37:58,800
to the point where they melted and then

2008
01:38:04,520 --> 01:38:02,790
Greek and yield as glass well a logical

2009
01:38:05,870 --> 01:38:04,530
explanation when you start thinking

2010
01:38:07,340 --> 01:38:05,880
about and putting all the evidence

2011
01:38:10,130 --> 01:38:07,350
together this is what you would get

2012
01:38:12,340 --> 01:38:10,140
during a major major solar outbursts

2013
01:38:15,740 --> 01:38:12,350
where this must have been an area where

2014
01:38:17,780 --> 01:38:15,750
you had a direct plasma strike if you

2015
01:38:20,750 --> 01:38:17,790
would and that's just one example you've

2016
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:20,760
got another one the so called da clay

2017
01:38:26,840 --> 01:38:23,610
glass in Egypt also that covers another

2018
01:38:28,520 --> 01:38:26,850
four hundred square kilometres and alive

2019
01:38:30,290 --> 01:38:28,530
is glass some of it looks like what

2020
01:38:32,660 --> 01:38:30,300
people will expect last to look like

2021
01:38:35,780 --> 01:38:32,670
other looks more like what I would call

2022
01:38:38,420 --> 01:38:35,790
slag deposits where the melt the rock

2023
01:38:41,030 --> 01:38:38,430
has been melted it served bubbles up and

2024
01:38:43,490 --> 01:38:41,040
then rican Geo's is a very crude natural

2025
01:38:46,730 --> 01:38:43,500
glass and we're finding this around the

2026
01:38:49,130 --> 01:38:46,740
world at this time period now at the end

2027
01:38:53,570 --> 01:38:49,140
of the last ice age wouldn't there have

2028
01:38:55,510 --> 01:38:53,580
been well you're gonna answer this I'm

2029
01:38:59,180 --> 01:38:55,520
picturing if something like that occurs

2030
01:39:02,900 --> 01:38:59,190
wouldn't there have been massive fires I

2031
01:39:06,860 --> 01:39:02,910
mean we have evidence of that massive

2032
01:39:10,340 --> 01:39:06,870
fires at that time because in some cases

2033
01:39:13,130 --> 01:39:10,350
it literally incinerated what was on the

2034
01:39:15,230 --> 01:39:13,140
surface so if you have volatile moderna

2035
01:39:18,050 --> 01:39:15,240
Bowl combustible materials you were

2036
01:39:20,840 --> 01:39:18,060
setting massive fires the other thing

2037
01:39:24,110 --> 01:39:20,850
you have is massive flooding and massive

2038
01:39:26,740 --> 01:39:24,120
rain because you are melting so much

2039
01:39:29,660 --> 01:39:26,750
water whether it's hitting glaciers and

2040
01:39:34,340 --> 01:39:29,670
essentially you know vaporizing them

2041
01:39:38,120 --> 01:39:34,350
immediately hitting water and vaporizing

2042
01:39:40,820 --> 01:39:38,130
it and plus the overall increased global

2043
01:39:43,580 --> 01:39:40,830
temperatures which would pull up you

2044
01:39:45,920 --> 01:39:43,590
know which would put a lot more water

2045
01:39:48,440 --> 01:39:45,930
into the atmosphere the atmosphere can

2046
01:39:51,500 --> 01:39:48,450
only hold so much water so it comes back

2047
01:39:56,240 --> 01:39:51,510
down as precipitation

2048
01:39:59,540 --> 01:39:56,250
and so you had massive flooding massive

2049
01:40:03,510 --> 01:39:59,550
rises in sea level along the coast but

2050
01:40:07,200 --> 01:40:03,520
surface flooding inland flooding flash

2051
01:40:09,510 --> 01:40:07,210
floods that type of thing so you've got

2052
01:40:13,140 --> 01:40:09,520
both going on at the same time is it

2053
01:40:16,050 --> 01:40:13,150
easy then for two different researchers

2054
01:40:19,740 --> 01:40:16,060
to I'm going to use the term long here

2055
01:40:23,280 --> 01:40:19,750
but have a misdiagnosis right now and

2056
01:40:26,910 --> 01:40:23,290
one being the possibility of an asteroid

2057
01:40:30,830 --> 01:40:26,920
impact yeah yes I think it's absolutely

2058
01:40:33,750 --> 01:40:30,840
easy for a misdiagnosis to occur

2059
01:40:35,910 --> 01:40:33,760
especially given that and I am guilty of

2060
01:40:37,740 --> 01:40:35,920
this in the past and I'm probably guilty

2061
01:40:39,660 --> 01:40:37,750
of it now but I won't know that until

2062
01:40:41,400 --> 01:40:39,670
the future and more evidence comes in

2063
01:40:42,570 --> 01:40:41,410
I'm not saying I'm guilty of what we're

2064
01:40:45,810 --> 01:40:42,580
talking about right now but you know in

2065
01:40:48,330 --> 01:40:45,820
little things right for a long time I

2066
01:40:51,540 --> 01:40:48,340
looked at lot of this data with the same

2067
01:40:54,300 --> 01:40:51,550
lens the same eyes the same training

2068
01:40:56,820 --> 01:40:54,310
because I went to Yale for my PhD in

2069
01:40:59,550 --> 01:40:56,830
geology and geophysics was my master's

2070
01:41:03,240 --> 01:40:59,560
degrees as I heard you commented

2071
01:41:07,440 --> 01:41:03,250
commented in introducing me and we were

2072
01:41:09,380 --> 01:41:07,450
all trained to look a certain way at

2073
01:41:12,870 --> 01:41:09,390
things because we didn't know any better

2074
01:41:16,290 --> 01:41:12,880
essentially when you saw certain types

2075
01:41:19,680 --> 01:41:16,300
of things like vitrified rock or nano

2076
01:41:23,310 --> 01:41:19,690
diamonds or shocked quartz the only

2077
01:41:25,920 --> 01:41:23,320
logical conclusion one was taught is

2078
01:41:29,490 --> 01:41:25,930
that must be some kind of impactor

2079
01:41:31,740 --> 01:41:29,500
asteroid meteorite comment we weren't

2080
01:41:34,590 --> 01:41:31,750
thinking about lightning we weren't

2081
01:41:38,460 --> 01:41:34,600
thinking about solar outbursts because

2082
01:41:42,390 --> 01:41:38,470
we have no we have no evidence of this

2083
01:41:44,490 --> 01:41:42,400
in recorded history everyone was still

2084
01:41:46,530 --> 01:41:44,500
thinking the Sun is relatively stable

2085
01:41:50,280 --> 01:41:46,540
nothing like this whatever really

2086
01:41:52,770 --> 01:41:50,290
happened so it wasn't even a possibility

2087
01:41:55,440 --> 01:41:52,780
that we entertained

2088
01:41:57,300 --> 01:41:55,450
how much more like for me once you start

2089
01:42:00,000 --> 01:41:57,310
looking at that all the evidence falls

2090
01:42:03,750 --> 01:42:00,010
into place and it explains everything so

2091
01:42:04,060 --> 01:42:03,760
much better how much warning time do you

2092
01:42:08,320 --> 01:42:04,070
have

2093
01:42:11,410 --> 01:42:08,330
you and I I'm gonna ask you this again

2094
01:42:15,520 --> 01:42:11,420
when it happens again or back then you

2095
01:42:17,220 --> 01:42:15,530
and I are out at gobekli tepe right ten

2096
01:42:19,510 --> 01:42:17,230
thousand years ago you and I are

2097
01:42:21,640 --> 01:42:19,520
performing a ceremony with some buddies

2098
01:42:24,910 --> 01:42:21,650
right we're hanging out yes performing a

2099
01:42:28,420 --> 01:42:24,920
ceremony and I'm looking at the sky then

2100
01:42:30,130 --> 01:42:28,430
something happens how much time are we

2101
01:42:32,950 --> 01:42:30,140
talking about here are we talking about

2102
01:42:36,310 --> 01:42:32,960
seconds minutes or days no no probably

2103
01:42:39,580 --> 01:42:36,320
what you're talking about is you would

2104
01:42:42,340 --> 01:42:39,590
see a flash you was crises solar flares

2105
01:42:44,710 --> 01:42:42,350
so these flashes of light if it was a

2106
01:42:47,080 --> 01:42:44,720
daylight yes let's say it's daylight but

2107
01:42:50,980 --> 01:42:47,090
right on so we're seeing the Sun and all

2108
01:42:53,710 --> 01:42:50,990
of a sudden we see solar flares coming

2109
01:42:56,440 --> 01:42:53,720
out those tape those travel at the speed

2110
01:42:58,420 --> 01:42:56,450
of light from the Sun so we're not

2111
01:43:00,130 --> 01:42:58,430
seeing them in real time we're seeing by

2112
01:43:02,710 --> 01:43:00,140
a delay what is that eight minutes or

2113
01:43:05,920 --> 01:43:02,720
something right but but instantaneous

2114
01:43:09,070 --> 01:43:05,930
for us as far as we're concerned now

2115
01:43:11,950 --> 01:43:09,080
based on the evidence we have for the

2116
01:43:14,380 --> 01:43:11,960
how fast coronal mass ejections can

2117
01:43:17,920 --> 01:43:14,390
travel and my fast solar winds can

2118
01:43:19,960 --> 01:43:17,930
travel etc once you see flares like that

2119
01:43:23,650 --> 01:43:19,970
you know that something is probably

2120
01:43:27,060 --> 01:43:23,660
coming behind it and that something is

2121
01:43:29,170 --> 01:43:27,070
traveling at very high speeds even

2122
01:43:31,390 --> 01:43:29,180
relativistic speeds you know close to

2123
01:43:33,730 --> 01:43:31,400
the speed of light but not at the speed

2124
01:43:36,310 --> 01:43:33,740
of light and answer to your question it

2125
01:43:39,370 --> 01:43:36,320
could be anywhere off the top of my head

2126
01:43:41,770 --> 01:43:39,380
from 16 hours if it was moving very

2127
01:43:45,160 --> 01:43:41,780
quickly that would be served typical or

2128
01:43:49,030 --> 01:43:45,170
maybe a couple of days a couple of days

2129
01:43:51,370 --> 01:43:49,040
and we're not talking a long time and in

2130
01:43:53,320 --> 01:43:51,380
the meantime you've got solar flares

2131
01:43:56,320 --> 01:43:53,330
you've probably got things coming in

2132
01:43:58,690 --> 01:43:56,330
between what's sometimes known as solar

2133
01:44:00,400 --> 01:43:58,700
particle events or proton events we've

2134
01:44:03,910 --> 01:44:00,410
got different things moving at different

2135
01:44:07,720 --> 01:44:03,920
speeds from the speed of light for

2136
01:44:10,090 --> 01:44:07,730
actual electromagnetic today three

2137
01:44:12,010 --> 01:44:10,100
particles traveling at various

2138
01:44:13,840 --> 01:44:12,020
relativistic speeds so you're getting

2139
01:44:17,770 --> 01:44:13,850
pummeled by a number of different things

2140
01:44:19,630 --> 01:44:17,780
if we were back in gobekli tepe time

2141
01:44:22,000 --> 01:44:19,640
and we'll assume for a second that the

2142
01:44:23,950 --> 01:44:22,010
Quebec elite MP people did not have cell

2143
01:44:26,680 --> 01:44:23,960
phones or the equivalent did not have

2144
01:44:30,730 --> 01:44:26,690
computers or the equivalent they may

2145
01:44:34,060 --> 01:44:30,740
have you know even a few days to before

2146
01:44:37,780 --> 01:44:34,070
it all hits that hits and everything you

2147
01:44:40,990 --> 01:44:37,790
know comes to be if we're talking in

2148
01:44:42,880 --> 01:44:41,000
modern times your computers and cell

2149
01:44:46,270 --> 01:44:42,890
phones and communication systems are

2150
01:44:49,870 --> 01:44:46,280
going to start coming going down even

2151
01:44:52,510 --> 01:44:49,880
before or the final hit even before the

2152
01:44:55,360 --> 01:44:52,520
major coronal mass ejection am I making

2153
01:44:59,650 --> 01:44:55,370
sense yes you are and so do you and I

2154
01:45:04,840 --> 01:44:59,660
have enough time to bury gobekli tepe to

2155
01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:04,850
save it this is another issue what I

2156
01:45:10,210 --> 01:45:07,010
believe was happening with gobekli tepe

2157
01:45:13,480 --> 01:45:10,220
and what I believe happens when you have

2158
01:45:15,640 --> 01:45:13,490
these major solar outbursts is you have

2159
01:45:18,430 --> 01:45:15,650
a big one and I think there was a really

2160
01:45:21,400 --> 01:45:18,440
big one at the end of last ice age

2161
01:45:24,520 --> 01:45:21,410
that's what we see is a huge spike but

2162
01:45:26,740 --> 01:45:24,530
what you also have in the geological

2163
01:45:30,870 --> 01:45:26,750
record in the ice core record is a

2164
01:45:35,080 --> 01:45:30,880
number of spikes after that of lesser

2165
01:45:38,380 --> 01:45:35,090
intensity but still coming so the Sun

2166
01:45:41,440 --> 01:45:38,390
was very volatile it was going through

2167
01:45:45,010 --> 01:45:41,450
these up-and-down swings if I could put

2168
01:45:47,980 --> 01:45:45,020
this way and to use the geological

2169
01:45:51,370 --> 01:45:47,990
analogy it was like a major earthquake

2170
01:45:53,890 --> 01:45:51,380
with aftershocks and maybe even some

2171
01:45:56,440 --> 01:45:53,900
four shocks - but aftershocks definitely

2172
01:45:58,030 --> 01:45:56,450
so what I believe we have at gobekli

2173
01:46:01,330 --> 01:45:58,040
tepe have been analyzed it very

2174
01:46:05,380 --> 01:46:01,340
carefully is it was hit parts were

2175
01:46:07,450 --> 01:46:05,390
knocked down that would have been due to

2176
01:46:09,790 --> 01:46:07,460
probably the accompanying earthquakes

2177
01:46:12,040 --> 01:46:09,800
etc and earthquakes are very strongly

2178
01:46:14,380 --> 01:46:12,050
correlated with solar activity we now

2179
01:46:17,140 --> 01:46:14,390
know that even in the present day and

2180
01:46:20,470 --> 01:46:17,150
there are reasons for that but I think

2181
01:46:24,130 --> 01:46:20,480
that Gobekli Tepe was being hit they

2182
01:46:26,710 --> 01:46:24,140
were trying to quickly react it than

2183
01:46:29,980 --> 01:46:26,720
they would get hit again baby a bit more

2184
01:46:32,590 --> 01:46:29,990
minor solar outbursts and other coronal

2185
01:46:35,410 --> 01:46:32,600
mass ejection coming

2186
01:46:37,990 --> 01:46:35,420
and eventually just got to be so much I

2187
01:46:41,350 --> 01:46:38,000
think they are the evidence indicates

2188
01:46:43,720 --> 01:46:41,360
they were pleading the pillars up you

2189
01:46:45,430 --> 01:46:43,730
know serve and crude very crudely into

2190
01:46:48,730 --> 01:46:45,440
position and covered the whole thing

2191
01:46:51,700 --> 01:46:48,740
over so would they have time yes but

2192
01:46:54,580 --> 01:46:51,710
they were taking time from just trying

2193
01:46:56,170 --> 01:46:54,590
to survive otherwise to bury it and

2194
01:46:59,080 --> 01:46:56,180
preserve it because it must have been

2195
01:47:02,470 --> 01:46:59,090
incredibly important to them but so it's

2196
01:47:04,810 --> 01:47:02,480
not just one big fell swoop yes it's one

2197
01:47:08,790 --> 01:47:04,820
big fell swoop but then they're what I

2198
01:47:11,620 --> 01:47:08,800
call aftershocks to use the geological

2199
01:47:13,900 --> 01:47:11,630
analogy no one I think that's when they

2200
01:47:16,710 --> 01:47:13,910
were really trying to reconstruct and

2201
01:47:18,790 --> 01:47:16,720
then ultimately buried gobekli tepe

2202
01:47:21,780 --> 01:47:18,800
something else that I was just thinking

2203
01:47:23,890 --> 01:47:21,790
of as we were talking about this even in

2204
01:47:25,930 --> 01:47:23,900
1859 when we had the so-called

2205
01:47:28,090 --> 01:47:25,940
Carrington event yeah when I say

2206
01:47:31,240 --> 01:47:28,100
so-called it's it's not so-called it's

2207
01:47:35,230 --> 01:47:31,250
named after Richard Carrington who saw

2208
01:47:38,650 --> 01:47:35,240
the first solar flares and what I meant

2209
01:47:41,110 --> 01:47:38,660
by the so-called was that the event we

2210
01:47:43,780 --> 01:47:41,120
called the Carrington event actually it

2211
01:47:47,110 --> 01:47:43,790
was a couple of coronal mass ejections

2212
01:47:49,300 --> 01:47:47,120
given off by the Sun one after the other

2213
01:47:52,420 --> 01:47:49,310
so it's like we were hit and then we

2214
01:47:55,180 --> 01:47:52,430
were hit again right after that now when

2215
01:47:58,870 --> 01:47:55,190
you have a major major solar flare or a

2216
01:48:00,970 --> 01:47:58,880
mini Nova or micro Nova from the Sun we

2217
01:48:02,620 --> 01:48:00,980
don't know exactly what it's going to be

2218
01:48:05,950 --> 01:48:02,630
like we haven't experienced this before

2219
01:48:09,070 --> 01:48:05,960
but it might even be I'm speculating a

2220
01:48:12,190 --> 01:48:09,080
bit here but with cause with reason it

2221
01:48:14,050 --> 01:48:12,200
may even be that it gives off is sort of

2222
01:48:17,380 --> 01:48:14,060
like hiccups and hiccups again and

2223
01:48:21,870 --> 01:48:17,390
sneezes and hiccups again so that we're

2224
01:48:24,850 --> 01:48:21,880
getting pummeled by some in a row

2225
01:48:27,460 --> 01:48:24,860
separated by you know maybe a few years

2226
01:48:29,830 --> 01:48:27,470
or a decade or maybe even only a few

2227
01:48:32,410 --> 01:48:29,840
months what about going

2228
01:48:35,169 --> 01:48:32,420
underground laws that's what you have to

2229
01:48:38,919 --> 01:48:35,179
do that's how people survived there's no

2230
01:48:41,290 --> 01:48:38,929
doubt that Turkey yeah Turkey exactly

2231
01:48:44,250 --> 01:48:41,300
what Cappadocia you'll see when we go to

2232
01:48:46,510 --> 01:48:44,260
have you been to Quebec wake up a nope

2233
01:48:50,140 --> 01:48:46,520
okay so we're going to take a big trip

2234
01:48:53,229 --> 01:48:50,150
to young Rita and Katie and some phaidor

2235
01:48:55,839 --> 01:48:53,239
nuts right because each ship will go to

2236
01:48:58,839 --> 01:48:55,849
Turkey will go Cappadocia we'll go get

2237
01:49:02,200 --> 01:48:58,849
they got back Gobekli Tepe and now my

2238
01:49:04,149 --> 01:49:02,210
tongues gained tight but Cappadocia is

2239
01:49:07,060 --> 01:49:04,159
incredible because you have all the

2240
01:49:09,959 --> 01:49:07,070
underground cities there but what is

2241
01:49:12,550 --> 01:49:09,969
important to me is you have the right

2242
01:49:15,970 --> 01:49:12,560
geological terrain so you've got a

2243
01:49:18,189 --> 01:49:15,980
fairly soft volcanic rock that's easy to

2244
01:49:21,729 --> 01:49:18,199
carve into once you carve into it it

2245
01:49:26,020 --> 01:49:21,739
hardens and it's in would be incredibly

2246
01:49:28,660 --> 01:49:26,030
good to survive underground from these

2247
01:49:31,740 --> 01:49:28,670
type of surface events because among

2248
01:49:37,030 --> 01:49:31,750
other things you would get very powerful

2249
01:49:39,129 --> 01:49:37,040
solar flares and as we said coronal mass

2250
01:49:41,140 --> 01:49:39,139
ejections what would what would look

2251
01:49:43,030 --> 01:49:41,150
like huge lightning bolts hitting so to

2252
01:49:45,790 --> 01:49:43,040
protect from that but you would also

2253
01:49:49,000 --> 01:49:45,800
have radiation levels on the surface of

2254
01:49:51,399 --> 01:49:49,010
the earth very strong radiation levels

2255
01:49:54,490 --> 01:49:51,409
we can estimate that they were strong

2256
01:49:58,089 --> 01:49:54,500
enough in some cases large mammals would

2257
01:50:00,430 --> 01:49:58,099
die within three days to a week or so

2258
01:50:03,609 --> 01:50:00,440
humans are large mammals what's the best

2259
01:50:05,740 --> 01:50:03,619
way to survive this to get out of the

2260
01:50:07,089 --> 01:50:05,750
way of the surface radiation to go

2261
01:50:09,990 --> 01:50:07,099
underground because the rock will

2262
01:50:13,030 --> 01:50:10,000
protect you that this is very well known

2263
01:50:14,979 --> 01:50:13,040
people who worry about these things to

2264
01:50:17,740 --> 01:50:14,989
this day if they're going to protect

2265
01:50:20,680 --> 01:50:17,750
their computers and whatnot they put

2266
01:50:23,280 --> 01:50:20,690
them in underground caverns and bunkers

2267
01:50:25,510 --> 01:50:23,290
that type of thing this the rock will

2268
01:50:27,910 --> 01:50:25,520
protect from radiation

2269
01:50:29,979 --> 01:50:27,920
so going underground really is the way

2270
01:50:31,899 --> 01:50:29,989
to go and I want to point out that the

2271
01:50:33,490 --> 01:50:31,909
underground shelters were talking about

2272
01:50:35,770 --> 01:50:33,500
if you were talking about comet

2273
01:50:37,330 --> 01:50:35,780
bombardments it wouldn't help you at all

2274
01:50:39,609 --> 01:50:37,340
because they would collapse under that

2275
01:50:42,379 --> 01:50:39,619
type of bombardment but from a solar

2276
01:50:45,109 --> 01:50:42,389
event they would be excellent

2277
01:50:49,240 --> 01:50:45,119
and we have linguistic evidence going

2278
01:50:51,500 --> 01:50:49,250
back to the end of the last ice age that

2279
01:50:53,629 --> 01:50:51,510
indo-european languages would they

2280
01:50:57,500 --> 01:50:53,639
originate from they actually originated

2281
01:51:00,350 --> 01:50:57,510
from turkey from the Cappadocia region

2282
01:51:03,290 --> 01:51:00,360
and that can be traced by looking at

2283
01:51:06,590 --> 01:51:03,300
language families in sort of doing a

2284
01:51:10,419 --> 01:51:06,600
genealogy of language and dating it to

2285
01:51:13,520 --> 01:51:10,429
when various branches split off

2286
01:51:14,780 --> 01:51:13,530
linguistically and it's amazing the

2287
01:51:17,359 --> 01:51:14,790
people that have done these studies

2288
01:51:18,740 --> 01:51:17,369
linguists they don't care about you know

2289
01:51:21,080 --> 01:51:18,750
what I'm talking about

2290
01:51:25,189 --> 01:51:21,090
but they trace it back to a pocket of

2291
01:51:26,990 --> 01:51:25,199
people that survived about ten thousand

2292
01:51:31,040 --> 01:51:27,000
nine thousand seven hundred years ago

2293
01:51:33,169 --> 01:51:31,050
not years ago in BC almost twelve

2294
01:51:36,290 --> 01:51:33,179
thousand years ago to that region in

2295
01:51:38,570 --> 01:51:36,300
Turkey knows exactly where you find the

2296
01:51:40,310 --> 01:51:38,580
underground cities now I do want to

2297
01:51:42,560 --> 01:51:40,320
point out you know I'm saying a lot but

2298
01:51:45,080 --> 01:51:42,570
I always like to clarify things these

2299
01:51:48,020 --> 01:51:45,090
underground cities there is no doubt

2300
01:51:50,540 --> 01:51:48,030
they were used thousands of years later

2301
01:51:53,060 --> 01:51:50,550
the standard archaeologists will say to

2302
01:51:54,950 --> 01:51:53,070
you oh you know they might even say

2303
01:51:57,890 --> 01:51:54,960
shocked is crazy talking about this

2304
01:52:00,229 --> 01:51:57,900
because they know that these were used a

2305
01:52:02,750 --> 01:52:00,239
thousand years ago two thousand years

2306
01:52:04,399 --> 01:52:02,760
ago maybe three thousand years ago I've

2307
01:52:06,200 --> 01:52:04,409
explored them I've looked at them very

2308
01:52:09,050 --> 01:52:06,210
carefully yes of course they were used

2309
01:52:11,720 --> 01:52:09,060
then but that doesn't mean that's when

2310
01:52:13,879 --> 01:52:11,730
the whole thing began that doesn't mean

2311
01:52:16,189 --> 01:52:13,889
that they were reusing something that

2312
01:52:18,020 --> 01:52:16,199
was much older and there's lots of

2313
01:52:21,740 --> 01:52:18,030
geological evidence that these things go

2314
01:52:24,740 --> 01:52:21,750
back much further in time than the

2315
01:52:28,010 --> 01:52:24,750
standard historians say for instance you

2316
01:52:31,100 --> 01:52:28,020
they had to carve these out they had to

2317
01:52:33,530 --> 01:52:31,110
remove incredible amounts of rock where

2318
01:52:35,990 --> 01:52:33,540
are the huge piles of rock that they

2319
01:52:37,879 --> 01:52:36,000
removed if they were only a couple of

2320
01:52:40,010 --> 01:52:37,889
thousand years old at most you would

2321
01:52:43,280 --> 01:52:40,020
still have these huge piles of rock but

2322
01:52:45,020 --> 01:52:43,290
because they go back so far I believe

2323
01:52:47,689 --> 01:52:45,030
that rock has you know weathered away

2324
01:52:49,459 --> 01:52:47,699
and and gone with the breeze so to speak

2325
01:52:52,790 --> 01:52:49,469
I have the same I have the same

2326
01:52:54,919 --> 01:52:52,800
arguments when it comes to gi's in the

2327
01:52:55,759 --> 01:52:54,929
great pyramids and we'll discuss that in

2328
01:52:58,040 --> 01:52:55,769
a second

2329
01:53:00,620 --> 01:52:58,050
well yeah I mean all these all these

2330
01:53:02,540 --> 01:53:00,630
sites not all of them Quebec Lee Tepe

2331
01:53:06,680 --> 01:53:02,550
was not reused because it was buried and

2332
01:53:11,270 --> 01:53:06,690
preserved but he's the Sphinx Cappadocia

2333
01:53:14,239 --> 01:53:11,280
these were reused and venerated even for

2334
01:53:17,029 --> 01:53:14,249
thousands of years later so you know

2335
01:53:18,859 --> 01:53:17,039
it's it's I don't want to say the

2336
01:53:22,399 --> 01:53:18,869
obvious but you know you go to the

2337
01:53:25,910 --> 01:53:22,409
Colosseum in Rome that was built in the

2338
01:53:28,459 --> 01:53:25,920
1st century AD 500 years from now

2339
01:53:30,890 --> 01:53:28,469
someone finds the coin that I dropped

2340
01:53:31,549 --> 01:53:30,900
there and they say oh this is only 500

2341
01:53:33,919 --> 01:53:31,559
years old

2342
01:53:38,779 --> 01:53:33,929
that's nonsense that's right and now

2343
01:53:41,660 --> 01:53:38,789
okay so the same evidence that we are

2344
01:53:42,919 --> 01:53:41,670
talking about here at different sites

2345
01:53:44,720 --> 01:53:42,929
around the world I'm talking about the

2346
01:53:48,310 --> 01:53:44,730
vitrified Rock and the shocked quartz

2347
01:53:51,680 --> 01:53:48,320
and nano diamonds is this consistent

2348
01:53:55,580 --> 01:53:51,690
around the planet in other words dr.

2349
01:53:58,009 --> 01:53:55,590
Schaack could you go to Indonesia and go

2350
01:54:00,589 --> 01:53:58,019
to the same time period and and go

2351
01:54:03,259 --> 01:54:00,599
through the layers of sediment and find

2352
01:54:06,259 --> 01:54:03,269
the same evidence there of this at that

2353
01:54:10,220 --> 01:54:06,269
time period as you would in in North

2354
01:54:13,040 --> 01:54:10,230
America or in Greenland or across Europe

2355
01:54:14,810 --> 01:54:13,050
and Africa is the same evidence there

2356
01:54:18,080 --> 01:54:14,820
consistently around the planet as

2357
01:54:20,959 --> 01:54:18,090
opposed to being localized yes no no

2358
01:54:23,330 --> 01:54:20,969
it's actually very consistent as I'm

2359
01:54:26,200 --> 01:54:23,340
piecing it together around the planet

2360
01:54:29,180 --> 01:54:26,210
which also indicates that we're talking

2361
01:54:31,759 --> 01:54:29,190
solar events because when you have a

2362
01:54:35,839 --> 01:54:31,769
major solar event like this it doesn't

2363
01:54:38,209 --> 01:54:35,849
hit in just one spot it actually plows

2364
01:54:40,640 --> 01:54:38,219
into the earth plows into the

2365
01:54:43,339 --> 01:54:40,650
magnetosphere plows into the atmosphere

2366
01:54:46,100 --> 01:54:43,349
if you would and it's bread's around the

2367
01:54:49,450 --> 01:54:46,110
globe I mean this is a way that electric

2368
01:54:54,319 --> 01:54:49,460
current currents are caused carried etc

2369
01:54:56,209 --> 01:54:54,329
and we find it and consistently not only

2370
01:54:58,700 --> 01:54:56,219
around the world now as we know what

2371
01:55:00,680 --> 01:54:58,710
evidence to look for and that's part of

2372
01:55:02,989 --> 01:55:00,690
the problem to look for the evidence so

2373
01:55:04,729 --> 01:55:02,999
when I was a graduate student at Yale we

2374
01:55:06,080 --> 01:55:04,739
weren't thinking these terms and we

2375
01:55:07,850 --> 01:55:06,090
weren't looking for this type of

2376
01:55:09,720 --> 01:55:07,860
evidence that you know you know people

2377
01:55:11,310 --> 01:55:09,730
don't realize this some

2378
01:55:12,870 --> 01:55:11,320
times when they're not in the sciences

2379
01:55:15,180 --> 01:55:12,880
but maybe they realize it in real life

2380
01:55:16,770 --> 01:55:15,190
if you're not tuned into something

2381
01:55:18,720 --> 01:55:16,780
you're not looking for something you

2382
01:55:20,820 --> 01:55:18,730
often don't notice it there's been all

2383
01:55:24,870 --> 01:55:20,830
kinds of psychological studies about

2384
01:55:26,420 --> 01:55:24,880
this for even for you know ordinary

2385
01:55:29,490 --> 01:55:26,430
things and that's one reason

2386
01:55:32,100 --> 01:55:29,500
eyewitnesses and courts and trials can

2387
01:55:34,530 --> 01:55:32,110
be so far off because they're looking

2388
01:55:36,840 --> 01:55:34,540
you know you don't see what you're not

2389
01:55:39,690 --> 01:55:36,850
looking for in many cases but the answer

2390
01:55:41,700 --> 01:55:39,700
to your question is yes I'm convinced

2391
01:55:44,520 --> 01:55:41,710
we're game very consistent picture

2392
01:55:49,080 --> 01:55:44,530
around the world and it's not just on

2393
01:55:52,350 --> 01:55:49,090
earth so for instance um we have to look

2394
01:55:54,479 --> 01:55:52,360
at the moon and the moon has evidence of

2395
01:55:58,500 --> 01:55:54,489
this also in fact some of the earliest

2396
01:56:01,190 --> 01:55:58,510
evidence for a major solar output for a

2397
01:56:04,580 --> 01:56:01,200
major solar outburst was found by uh

2398
01:56:08,670 --> 01:56:04,590
he's now deceased unfortunately by but

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astronomer astrophysicist whose name was

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Thomas gold and he found based on the

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Apollo missions and you know what was

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that almost 50 years ago now God the

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Apollo missions

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vitrification and glazed lunar rocks as

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he taught called it that indicate there

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was a major solar outburst

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01:56:35,010 --> 01:56:32,950
uh and it actually makes sense in

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01:56:37,380 --> 01:56:35,020
hindsight that you might recognize this

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01:56:38,910 --> 01:56:37,390
on the moon first if it's if you're not

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looking for it because it's much more

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01:56:42,900 --> 01:56:40,570
obvious on the moon because the moon

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doesn't have much of a atmosphere at all

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01:56:46,920 --> 01:56:45,340
so things like this are preserved one

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01:56:49,320 --> 01:56:46,930
thing you have to realize a lot of these

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01:56:50,940 --> 01:56:49,330
features especially vitrified Rock they

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01:56:53,729 --> 01:56:50,950
break down in the atmosphere very

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01:56:56,550 --> 01:56:53,739
quickly they're not um I'm talking

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01:57:00,120 --> 01:56:56,560
geologically very quickly they degrade

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01:57:02,460 --> 01:57:00,130
that type of thing so he actually found

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01:57:04,680 --> 01:57:02,470
evidence of this on the moon initially

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01:57:06,479 --> 01:57:04,690
and anything that is going to hit the

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01:57:08,630 --> 01:57:06,489
earth is also going to hit the moon the

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moon is that close to us from a

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01:57:14,130 --> 01:57:11,140
astronomical point of view and it may

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01:57:16,890 --> 01:57:14,140
may or may not be the case but what did

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01:57:18,810 --> 01:57:16,900
the Chinese do just now they went to the

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dark side of the Moon the back of the

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Moon

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and be interested to see what they find

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there because of course as the moon goes

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around the earth that also faces the Sun

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you know we're gonna find a McDonalds

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that's what I are let's take my boat

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01:57:40,580 --> 01:57:37,650
okay so there we go

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01:57:43,129 --> 01:57:40,590
evidence of this occurs all over the

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earth and also on the moon as does

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McDonald's continue the conversation I'm

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trying to keep your tenure we'll do this

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welcome back fade to black

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02:02:52,860 --> 02:02:50,679
I am your host Jimmy Church what a great

2549
02:02:57,240 --> 02:02:52,870
conversation tonight I expected this as

2550
02:02:59,430 --> 02:02:57,250
dr. Schaack but a great conversation and

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02:03:02,760 --> 02:02:59,440
we are going to continue things right

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02:03:07,770 --> 02:03:02,770
now we are talking about the possibility

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02:03:09,020 --> 02:03:07,780
of the this cataclysmic event 12,000

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02:03:12,770 --> 02:03:09,030
years ago

2555
02:03:16,200 --> 02:03:12,780
10,000 BC or thereabouts 10,500 as

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02:03:19,169 --> 02:03:16,210
possibly being solar and I have to ask

2557
02:03:22,860 --> 02:03:19,179
you this Robert let's back up a little

2558
02:03:25,800 --> 02:03:22,870
bit here or a lot B something triggered

2559
02:03:27,479 --> 02:03:25,810
this for you there was some kind of

2560
02:03:29,729 --> 02:03:27,489
epiphany in your life where you went

2561
02:03:32,189 --> 02:03:29,739
wait a minute there absolutely was

2562
02:03:34,410 --> 02:03:32,199
because I was not in this ties in with

2563
02:03:36,660 --> 02:03:34,420
what we were talking about I was not

2564
02:03:39,090 --> 02:03:36,670
thinking in terms of the Sun I was not

2565
02:03:43,310 --> 02:03:39,100
thinking in terms of solar events and I

2566
02:03:46,439 --> 02:03:43,320
was perplexed by this and the evidence

2567
02:03:49,050 --> 02:03:46,449
for what was some people were

2568
02:03:50,880 --> 02:03:49,060
interpreting as a comet or meteor it

2569
02:03:52,680 --> 02:03:50,890
didn't really make a lot of sense

2570
02:03:55,290 --> 02:03:52,690
because that should cause a cooling

2571
02:03:57,060 --> 02:03:55,300
event not a warming event that didn't

2572
02:03:59,939 --> 02:03:57,070
seem that there was any direct evidence

2573
02:04:03,990 --> 02:03:59,949
it was all circumstantial and what

2574
02:04:07,320 --> 02:04:04,000
really turned things around was a trip

2575
02:04:09,120 --> 02:04:07,330
to Easter Island we went to Easter

2576
02:04:10,740 --> 02:04:09,130
Island Katie and I went to Easter on we

2577
02:04:13,410 --> 02:04:10,750
were married on Easter Island I think

2578
02:04:15,810 --> 02:04:13,420
you may know that that's right and that

2579
02:04:18,180 --> 02:04:15,820
was just an incredible trip it was so

2580
02:04:20,160 --> 02:04:18,190
much fun and of course it's one of these

2581
02:04:22,770 --> 02:04:20,170
places that has all kinds of ancient

2582
02:04:25,439 --> 02:04:22,780
mysteries the moai the big heads and

2583
02:04:28,860 --> 02:04:25,449
torsos that type of thing but something

2584
02:04:30,840 --> 02:04:28,870
that Easter Island has is the wrong go

2585
02:04:33,660 --> 02:04:30,850
wrong go script that it's sort of a

2586
02:04:36,959 --> 02:04:33,670
hieroglyphic type script it's really

2587
02:04:38,910 --> 02:04:36,969
interesting because you know linguists

2588
02:04:44,459 --> 02:04:38,920
and whatnot have been trying to decipher

2589
02:04:47,970 --> 02:04:44,469
it for 150 years of are there bouts ever

2590
02:04:52,919 --> 02:04:47,980
since it was discovered in the 1860s

2591
02:04:56,010 --> 02:04:52,929
1870s with no success they can't even

2592
02:04:56,760 --> 02:04:56,020
agree if it's really you know what kind

2593
02:05:02,400 --> 02:04:56,770
of script

2594
02:05:06,000 --> 02:05:02,410
might be if it is a script etc etc so to

2595
02:05:09,560 --> 02:05:06,010
make a long story short we were we Katie

2596
02:05:12,570 --> 02:05:09,570
and I were watching electric universe um

2597
02:05:16,050 --> 02:05:12,580
documentary actually and in that

2598
02:05:19,860 --> 02:05:16,060
documentary they mentioned someone who I

2599
02:05:22,820 --> 02:05:19,870
had met before at conferences and spoken

2600
02:05:26,280 --> 02:05:22,830
with and that was dr. anthony peratt at

2601
02:05:28,350 --> 02:05:26,290
los alamos who is this plasma physicist

2602
02:05:30,660 --> 02:05:28,360
I mentioned him briefly at the beginning

2603
02:05:33,500 --> 02:05:30,670
of the show when we started our

2604
02:05:37,470 --> 02:05:33,510
conversation and something he had been

2605
02:05:40,170 --> 02:05:37,480
studying was petroglyphs ancient

2606
02:05:42,780 --> 02:05:40,180
engravings on rocks and what he found is

2607
02:05:45,360 --> 02:05:42,790
that a certain class of petroglyphs that

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02:05:47,550 --> 02:05:45,370
go back to the end of the last ice age

2609
02:05:49,020 --> 02:05:47,560
and that's my dating now the end of the

2610
02:05:54,240 --> 02:05:49,030
last ice age he's very ancient

2611
02:05:57,330 --> 02:05:54,250
petroglyphs mimic or seemed to be of the

2612
02:06:00,120 --> 02:05:57,340
same diagnostic features and shapes as

2613
02:06:02,760 --> 02:06:00,130
plasma configurations that he had been

2614
02:06:05,010 --> 02:06:02,770
modeling in the laboratory that you

2615
02:06:07,970 --> 02:06:05,020
would get when you had a major solar

2616
02:06:11,250 --> 02:06:07,980
outburst and how could this be

2617
02:06:15,060 --> 02:06:11,260
coincidental and what he determined and

2618
02:06:19,170 --> 02:06:15,070
I absolutely agree with is that in

2619
02:06:22,470 --> 02:06:19,180
ancient times when you had a major solar

2620
02:06:25,430 --> 02:06:22,480
outbursts you would see things in the

2621
02:06:28,920 --> 02:06:25,440
sky right now people know about the rora

2622
02:06:31,170 --> 02:06:28,930
borealis the Northern Lights you have

2623
02:06:33,840 --> 02:06:31,180
the same thing in the South what this is

2624
02:06:36,300 --> 02:06:33,850
as solar winds essentially plasma and a

2625
02:06:38,790 --> 02:06:36,310
very small scale compared to what we had

2626
02:06:41,600 --> 02:06:38,800
the end of the last ice age hitting the

2627
02:06:44,790 --> 02:06:41,610
magnetosphere hitting the atmosphere

2628
02:06:46,500 --> 02:06:44,800
interacting with the nitrogen oxygen the

2629
02:06:50,550 --> 02:06:46,510
atmosphere you get these pretty lights

2630
02:06:53,820 --> 02:06:50,560
and well aren't they pretty and you see

2631
02:06:57,210 --> 02:06:53,830
them at high latitudes but during a

2632
02:06:59,970 --> 02:06:57,220
major outburst as we had at the end of

2633
02:07:02,520 --> 02:06:59,980
the last ice age you would get things

2634
02:07:06,900 --> 02:07:02,530
like the Northern Lights around the

2635
02:07:10,620 --> 02:07:06,910
world because of the incoming coronal

2636
02:07:13,320 --> 02:07:10,630
mass ejections etc and not only that

2637
02:07:15,899 --> 02:07:13,330
but with the incredible intensities of

2638
02:07:18,570 --> 02:07:15,909
the outburst they would take on very

2639
02:07:21,540 --> 02:07:18,580
diagnostic shapes that look like what

2640
02:07:24,090 --> 02:07:21,550
some people call stick figures stick

2641
02:07:26,310 --> 02:07:24,100
figure humans with little shapes are

2642
02:07:28,979 --> 02:07:26,320
little Donuts it looks like it's known

2643
02:07:31,709 --> 02:07:28,989
as synchrotron radiation on the sides

2644
02:07:35,010 --> 02:07:31,719
you would get what would look like

2645
02:07:37,820 --> 02:07:35,020
donuts or cascading cylindrical shapes

2646
02:07:41,610 --> 02:07:37,830
you would get very importantly what

2647
02:07:45,030 --> 02:07:41,620
appears in the sky to be stick figure

2648
02:07:48,720 --> 02:07:45,040
humans with the heads of birds again we

2649
02:07:51,810 --> 02:07:48,730
tend to anthropomorphize things but you

2650
02:07:54,689 --> 02:07:51,820
get these very specific images in the

2651
02:07:58,100 --> 02:07:54,699
sky these configurations plasma

2652
02:08:00,450 --> 02:07:58,110
configurations he identified these on

2653
02:08:02,220 --> 02:08:00,460
petroglyphs around the world in over a

2654
02:08:05,640 --> 02:08:02,230
hundred and thirty countries he and his

2655
02:08:07,439 --> 02:08:05,650
team Haiti was watching this while I was

2656
02:08:10,020 --> 02:08:07,449
sort of distracted and she said this

2657
02:08:14,070 --> 02:08:10,030
looks like the wrong go wrong go script

2658
02:08:16,110 --> 02:08:14,080
and put it all together that we need to

2659
02:08:18,930 --> 02:08:16,120
start looking at the Sun and the Easter

2660
02:08:20,280 --> 02:08:18,940
Islanders it wasn't a undeciphered

2661
02:08:22,740 --> 02:08:20,290
script in the sense that they were

2662
02:08:24,629 --> 02:08:22,750
writing stories and fairy tales or

2663
02:08:28,740 --> 02:08:24,639
something that but they were recording

2664
02:08:30,780 --> 02:08:28,750
what they saw in the sky during a major

2665
02:08:35,129 --> 02:08:30,790
solar outburst at the end of the last

2666
02:08:39,169 --> 02:08:35,139
ice age what we have surviving are the

2667
02:08:42,030 --> 02:08:39,179
Rango Rango these inscriptions these

2668
02:08:45,360 --> 02:08:42,040
depictions I believe we believe of

2669
02:08:48,090 --> 02:08:45,370
plasma configurations that were seen in

2670
02:08:51,090 --> 02:08:48,100
the sky and how they would change over

2671
02:08:54,180 --> 02:08:51,100
time as the solar outbursts progressed

2672
02:08:57,600 --> 02:08:54,190
as coronal mass ejections came in there

2673
02:08:59,669 --> 02:08:57,610
the physical rongorongo is carved on

2674
02:09:02,040 --> 02:08:59,679
wooden tablets which were very valuable

2675
02:09:05,939 --> 02:09:02,050
on Easter Island they are copies of

2676
02:09:09,020 --> 02:09:05,949
copies of copies even in the 19th

2677
02:09:12,479 --> 02:09:09,030
century when the Easter Islanders were

2678
02:09:14,520 --> 02:09:12,489
questioned as to what these meant they

2679
02:09:17,310 --> 02:09:14,530
pointed to the sky had something to do

2680
02:09:19,320 --> 02:09:17,320
with the sky so the actual tablets don't

2681
02:09:22,820 --> 02:09:19,330
go back to the end of the last ice age

2682
02:09:24,170 --> 02:09:22,830
but just as we don't have a Plato's

2683
02:09:27,560 --> 02:09:24,180
manuscript

2684
02:09:32,360 --> 02:09:27,570
back two thousand three hundred four

2685
02:09:35,000 --> 02:09:32,370
hundred years etc we believe these are

2686
02:09:38,300 --> 02:09:35,010
copies of what was going on so it was

2687
02:09:41,510 --> 02:09:38,310
really Katie putting this together with

2688
02:09:44,570 --> 02:09:41,520
the work coming out of Los Alamos with

2689
02:09:47,000 --> 02:09:44,580
the petroglyphs and we had just gone to

2690
02:09:52,840 --> 02:09:47,010
Easter Island that this time this was

2691
02:09:55,460 --> 02:09:52,850
back nine ten years ago that she got me

2692
02:09:58,280 --> 02:09:55,470
considering the Sun and that the Sun is

2693
02:10:01,520 --> 02:09:58,290
not as stable as everyone tends to

2694
02:10:06,050 --> 02:10:01,530
believe it's undergone this major solar

2695
02:10:08,240 --> 02:10:06,060
outbursts micro nove or many Nova's some

2696
02:10:09,830 --> 02:10:08,250
people are referring to and that we

2697
02:10:13,940 --> 02:10:09,840
really had to look at this seriously so

2698
02:10:16,300 --> 02:10:13,950
the rongorongo was actually pivotal and

2699
02:10:20,480 --> 02:10:16,310
interestingly I will say this publicly

2700
02:10:25,970 --> 02:10:20,490
interestingly the Los Alamos team

2701
02:10:29,000 --> 02:10:25,980
members of dr. peratt's team have since

2702
02:10:32,450 --> 02:10:29,010
confirmed to us that they discovered the

2703
02:10:34,460 --> 02:10:32,460
same thing they agreed with us with

2704
02:10:37,070 --> 02:10:34,470
Katie's insight but they had not

2705
02:10:39,770 --> 02:10:37,080
published this in fact this is part of

2706
02:10:41,510 --> 02:10:39,780
the issue because certain groups of

2707
02:10:44,030 --> 02:10:41,520
people not to get into conspiracy

2708
02:10:46,850 --> 02:10:44,040
theories but you know this happened in

2709
02:10:48,440 --> 02:10:46,860
the past this could happen again it will

2710
02:10:50,720 --> 02:10:48,450
happen again

2711
02:10:52,400 --> 02:10:50,730
so you know it's a little scary to some

2712
02:10:55,310 --> 02:10:52,410
people and I don't want to be a scare

2713
02:10:59,510 --> 02:10:55,320
monger but I'm just looking at evidence

2714
02:11:02,990 --> 02:10:59,520
now is the okay all right I want to

2715
02:11:05,390 --> 02:11:03,000
almost as well it does it doesn't I want

2716
02:11:06,950 --> 02:11:05,400
to stay on plot but there's other stuff

2717
02:11:13,790 --> 02:11:06,960
too as well I'm looking at the clock and

2718
02:11:16,820 --> 02:11:13,800
you and I do this every single time well

2719
02:11:19,790 --> 02:11:16,830
because the pirat confirmation for all

2720
02:11:22,940 --> 02:11:19,800
of this is very very important any need

2721
02:11:24,800 --> 02:11:22,950
you need somebody like a physicist write

2722
02:11:27,050 --> 02:11:24,810
a plasma physicist to come in who's

2723
02:11:29,840 --> 02:11:27,060
already been doing the research to to

2724
02:11:32,270 --> 02:11:29,850
confirm this and and him taking a look

2725
02:11:34,130 --> 02:11:32,280
at the rongorongo and saying hey this is

2726
02:11:34,640 --> 02:11:34,140
exactly what I've been seeing around the

2727
02:11:37,550 --> 02:11:34,650
world

2728
02:11:39,500 --> 02:11:37,560
it's nothing but more confirmation but

2729
02:11:41,780 --> 02:11:39,510
that's right oh and I want to make a

2730
02:11:43,310 --> 02:11:41,790
quick point if it's not obvious to all

2731
02:11:46,450 --> 02:11:43,320
the listeners because things aren't

2732
02:11:49,340 --> 02:11:46,460
always obvious until hindsight this is

2733
02:11:52,070 --> 02:11:49,350
definitive of a solar outbursts solar

2734
02:11:54,620 --> 02:11:52,080
activity unusual solar activity you

2735
02:11:58,130 --> 02:11:54,630
don't get things like this from a comet

2736
02:12:00,260 --> 02:11:58,140
or a meteor or asteroid hitting us but

2737
02:12:02,870 --> 02:12:00,270
you do get this from solar activity so

2738
02:12:08,150 --> 02:12:02,880
this is actually quite diagnostic of

2739
02:12:09,770 --> 02:12:08,160
unusual solar activity now today the the

2740
02:12:11,510 --> 02:12:09,780
reporting on this has been coming in

2741
02:12:14,420 --> 02:12:11,520
pretty consistently over the last three

2742
02:12:16,520 --> 02:12:14,430
years and it's starting to get for me a

2743
02:12:18,680 --> 02:12:16,530
little bit alarming and I'm talking

2744
02:12:21,320 --> 02:12:18,690
about the pole shifts and oh yeah

2745
02:12:24,410 --> 02:12:21,330
agentic action that is going on right

2746
02:12:26,990 --> 02:12:24,420
now can you help me understand yes well

2747
02:12:29,000 --> 02:12:27,000
I mean we no one really understands

2748
02:12:31,760 --> 02:12:29,010
what's going on in the terms of the

2749
02:12:35,710 --> 02:12:31,770
geophysics or in astrophysics but what

2750
02:12:39,260 --> 02:12:35,720
we know is that solar activity

2751
02:12:42,680 --> 02:12:39,270
influences geophysical activity so the

2752
02:12:46,060 --> 02:12:42,690
Sun has and the Sun and the dynamics of

2753
02:12:50,960 --> 02:12:46,070
the Sun have incredible effect on our

2754
02:12:54,320 --> 02:12:50,970
magnetosphere and on our magnetic pole

2755
02:12:56,750 --> 02:12:54,330
and also earthquake activity and

2756
02:12:59,450 --> 02:12:56,760
volcanic activity all of this has

2757
02:13:01,970 --> 02:12:59,460
electrical component to it to put it

2758
02:13:06,050 --> 02:13:01,980
very simply in a magnetic component to

2759
02:13:09,440 --> 02:13:06,060
it so the weakening of the poles and it

2760
02:13:12,080 --> 02:13:09,450
has been very dramatically weakening

2761
02:13:15,230 --> 02:13:12,090
over time it's become unstable it's

2762
02:13:19,370 --> 02:13:15,240
moving a lot of people suggest that we

2763
02:13:21,770 --> 02:13:19,380
may go into a magnetic pole reversal in

2764
02:13:25,370 --> 02:13:21,780
which case you know we may lose our

2765
02:13:27,590 --> 02:13:25,380
magnetic field for a short period of

2766
02:13:30,080 --> 02:13:27,600
time when I say short I don't know how

2767
02:13:32,750 --> 02:13:30,090
long but I'm talking geologically short

2768
02:13:35,710 --> 02:13:32,760
we know from the geologic record that

2769
02:13:38,930 --> 02:13:35,720
the magnetic pull of the earth has

2770
02:13:41,690 --> 02:13:38,940
flipped a number of times reversed a

2771
02:13:44,840 --> 02:13:41,700
number of times gone down to zero if we

2772
02:13:48,650 --> 02:13:44,850
have a weakening shield magnetic shield

2773
02:13:51,440 --> 02:13:48,660
if the pole flips if it goes

2774
02:13:54,340 --> 02:13:51,450
if it continues to weaken as it is now

2775
02:13:57,140 --> 02:13:54,350
that makes us more vulnerable to outside

2776
02:13:59,540 --> 02:13:57,150
radiation well as from outside of the

2777
02:14:01,820 --> 02:13:59,550
Earth's system more vulnerable to

2778
02:14:03,590 --> 02:14:01,830
attacks by the Sun I don't say the Sun

2779
02:14:06,080 --> 02:14:03,600
being bad here but you know if it

2780
02:14:09,350 --> 02:14:06,090
undergoes a solar outburst or when it

2781
02:14:12,590 --> 02:14:09,360
does so this is all becoming quite

2782
02:14:15,400 --> 02:14:12,600
critical and we you and I think I've

2783
02:14:19,670 --> 02:14:15,410
spoken about this before but our

2784
02:14:21,890 --> 02:14:19,680
civilization is so vulnerable to these

2785
02:14:26,990 --> 02:14:21,900
types of events and we're so dependent

2786
02:14:30,590 --> 02:14:27,000
on electronics and GPS systems and all

2787
02:14:35,240 --> 02:14:30,600
this type of thing a communication

2788
02:14:38,930 --> 02:14:35,250
system set even now we are feeling the

2789
02:14:43,160 --> 02:14:38,940
effects of that even minor solar flares

2790
02:14:45,800 --> 02:14:43,170
cause transformers to blow and parts of

2791
02:14:48,680 --> 02:14:45,810
grid systems to go down temporarily or

2792
02:14:52,190 --> 02:14:48,690
for computers to crash and you know some

2793
02:14:54,890 --> 02:14:52,200
Airport no flights can go out you know

2794
02:14:57,380 --> 02:14:54,900
we're just starting to get a sense of

2795
02:15:01,160 --> 02:14:57,390
how how devastating this could be or

2796
02:15:05,390 --> 02:15:01,170
will be to our civilization is it is it

2797
02:15:07,810 --> 02:15:05,400
I was sound like a fear monger and I

2798
02:15:10,880 --> 02:15:07,820
don't mean to be but we get control

2799
02:15:12,860 --> 02:15:10,890
realistic we just close our eyes to this

2800
02:15:14,570 --> 02:15:12,870
no we don't we can't we can't control

2801
02:15:17,600 --> 02:15:14,580
Gaia we can't control mother nature

2802
02:15:21,200 --> 02:15:17,610
whether it's exactly and this and soul

2803
02:15:26,540 --> 02:15:21,210
this the Sun and we can't control our

2804
02:15:30,920 --> 02:15:26,550
Sun now I was reading last week that it

2805
02:15:36,080 --> 02:15:30,930
has it possibly has something to do with

2806
02:15:39,110 --> 02:15:36,090
the flow of molten iron yes and and that

2807
02:15:43,010 --> 02:15:39,120
that flow I'm almost picturing a river

2808
02:15:46,640 --> 02:15:43,020
right as is as changed directions and

2809
02:15:49,880 --> 02:15:46,650
right now our magnetic pole is like it's

2810
02:15:52,520 --> 02:15:49,890
almost in Siberia now yeah yeah yeah

2811
02:15:55,340 --> 02:15:52,530
it's really changing we may be changing

2812
02:15:57,200 --> 02:15:55,350
directions but that flow that because

2813
02:15:59,240 --> 02:15:57,210
it's flowing it's moving so it's got

2814
02:16:01,850 --> 02:15:59,250
electric and magnetic currents in it

2815
02:16:02,570 --> 02:16:01,860
that is interacting with the rest of the

2816
02:16:06,890 --> 02:16:02,580
solar

2817
02:16:10,100 --> 02:16:06,900
the main influencer being the Sun plus

2818
02:16:12,770 --> 02:16:10,110
their or potential other you know our

2819
02:16:14,030 --> 02:16:12,780
solar system is a little I mean you and

2820
02:16:16,700 --> 02:16:14,040
I have talked about things like this

2821
02:16:19,130 --> 02:16:16,710
before a little teeny like a little you

2822
02:16:21,260 --> 02:16:19,140
know just compared to the rest of the

2823
02:16:24,310 --> 02:16:21,270
galaxy much less the universe so you

2824
02:16:26,570 --> 02:16:24,320
there's all these various factors that

2825
02:16:28,060 --> 02:16:26,580
some of which we probably can't even

2826
02:16:32,839 --> 02:16:28,070
imagine at the moment that can be

2827
02:16:36,310 --> 02:16:32,849
influencing us but the Sun is definitely

2828
02:16:41,209 --> 02:16:36,320
a big one and we really don't understand

2829
02:16:43,970 --> 02:16:41,219
we the internal dynamics of the Earth or

2830
02:16:46,220 --> 02:16:43,980
the Sun and you know I'm I don't want to

2831
02:16:49,610 --> 02:16:46,230
sound the wrong way by a PhD in geology

2832
02:16:53,629 --> 02:16:49,620
and geophysics I'm not entering these

2833
02:16:56,990 --> 02:16:53,639
things but I am aware of what we are

2834
02:17:02,450 --> 02:16:57,000
ignorant of is the timing of these

2835
02:17:04,760 --> 02:17:02,460
events consistent there have been people

2836
02:17:06,080 --> 02:17:04,770
that have been looking for cycles in

2837
02:17:10,720 --> 02:17:06,090
this this has actually become very

2838
02:17:14,510 --> 02:17:10,730
popular in recent years and decades and

2839
02:17:17,720 --> 02:17:14,520
I don't want to be too definitive about

2840
02:17:22,730 --> 02:17:17,730
this right now but I suspect that there

2841
02:17:24,800 --> 02:17:22,740
is a cycle of about I hate to take to

2842
02:17:27,980 --> 02:17:24,810
put it this way but about probably

2843
02:17:30,470 --> 02:17:27,990
twelve thousand or so year if you know

2844
02:17:33,410 --> 02:17:30,480
what precession is we do a recessional

2845
02:17:35,540 --> 02:17:33,420
cycle it's probably on a half half

2846
02:17:38,360 --> 02:17:35,550
processional cycle this processional

2847
02:17:41,900 --> 02:17:38,370
cycle is about 24 to 26 thousand years

2848
02:17:44,810 --> 02:17:41,910
we're probably talking major incidents

2849
02:17:48,080 --> 02:17:44,820
like this every half processional cycle

2850
02:17:50,980 --> 02:17:48,090
and there are various potential reasons

2851
02:17:55,339 --> 02:17:50,990
for that with the Sun destabilizing

2852
02:17:58,820 --> 02:17:55,349
re-calibrate equal debris aiding again I

2853
02:18:01,400 --> 02:17:58,830
don't want to be too definitive but I

2854
02:18:05,510 --> 02:18:01,410
know such things but we're probably do

2855
02:18:08,900 --> 02:18:05,520
right now for another we'll call it

2856
02:18:12,020 --> 02:18:08,910
solar correction to sort of play off the

2857
02:18:16,100 --> 02:18:12,030
stock market when it corrects itself and

2858
02:18:19,880 --> 02:18:16,110
we have evidence very direct evidence

2859
02:18:22,610 --> 02:18:19,890
from solar activities from the end of

2860
02:18:27,020 --> 02:18:22,620
the last ice age up to the present the

2861
02:18:30,110 --> 02:18:27,030
Sun was very unstable agitated a lot of

2862
02:18:32,030 --> 02:18:30,120
solar events major flaring that type of

2863
02:18:33,410 --> 02:18:32,040
thing at the end of the last ice age

2864
02:18:35,331 --> 02:18:33,420
just what we've been talking about in

2865
02:18:38,360 --> 02:18:35,341
major solar outbursts of course that end

2866
02:18:39,530 --> 02:18:38,370
of the last ice age it was still fairly

2867
02:18:42,980 --> 02:18:39,540
unstable

2868
02:18:46,850 --> 02:18:42,990
although calming down for the couple of

2869
02:18:49,910 --> 02:18:46,860
millennia host end of the last ice age

2870
02:18:52,400 --> 02:18:49,920
then it went into a quite stable period

2871
02:18:55,400 --> 02:18:52,410
for thousands of years and that's when

2872
02:18:57,710 --> 02:18:55,410
civilization re-emerged from what Katie

2873
02:19:02,810 --> 02:18:57,720
and I call Siddha are the solar induced

2874
02:19:05,480 --> 02:19:02,820
Dark Age so from 9700 BC to about 3700

2875
02:19:07,130 --> 02:19:05,490
BC I'm using those numbers specifically

2876
02:19:08,960 --> 02:19:07,140
so we have about six thousand year

2877
02:19:12,890 --> 02:19:08,970
period just so people can grasp onto

2878
02:19:15,140 --> 02:19:12,900
that so for about six thousand years we

2879
02:19:16,970 --> 02:19:15,150
had what we call Dark Age or solar

2880
02:19:19,850 --> 02:19:16,980
induced Dark Age because it was brought

2881
02:19:22,880 --> 02:19:19,860
by the Sun bringing down that early

2882
02:19:26,720 --> 02:19:22,890
cycle of civilization then by the 4th

2883
02:19:29,150 --> 02:19:26,730
millennium BC 3700 BC just to use round

2884
02:19:34,310 --> 02:19:29,160
numbers we have a reimburse of

2885
02:19:36,430 --> 02:19:34,320
civilization and Sumer in Egypt in the

2886
02:19:39,170 --> 02:19:36,440
Far East that type of thing and

2887
02:19:41,210 --> 02:19:39,180
civilization flourishes and the next

2888
02:19:44,930 --> 02:19:41,220
thing you know you've got cellphones and

2889
02:19:49,430 --> 02:19:44,940
computers and you and I talking on the

2890
02:19:51,711 --> 02:19:49,440
radio etc etc but what has happened in

2891
02:19:54,740 --> 02:19:51,721
the last hundred years especially the

2892
02:19:57,740 --> 02:19:54,750
last few decades is the Sun has started

2893
02:20:01,791 --> 02:19:57,750
to destabilize again and we're seeing

2894
02:20:03,980 --> 02:20:01,801
solar activity and inactivity it goes

2895
02:20:05,841 --> 02:20:03,990
both ways it gets very active this or

2896
02:20:08,600 --> 02:20:05,851
goes dormant think it's very active

2897
02:20:11,390 --> 02:20:08,610
again and we're seeing this anomalous

2898
02:20:15,950 --> 02:20:11,400
behavior in the Sun which we haven't

2899
02:20:18,711 --> 02:20:15,960
seen for ever eight ten thousand twelve

2900
02:20:21,501 --> 02:20:18,721
thousand years right yeah no we've never

2901
02:20:24,801 --> 02:20:21,511
seen it in historical times you know if

2902
02:20:26,751 --> 02:20:24,811
the Sun had been acting like this for

2903
02:20:28,190 --> 02:20:26,761
the last two hundred years we wouldn't

2904
02:20:29,390 --> 02:20:28,200
have gotten to the point where you've

2905
02:20:31,341 --> 02:20:29,400
got to know

2906
02:20:35,270 --> 02:20:31,351
technologically because it would have

2907
02:20:38,330 --> 02:20:35,280
knocked us out periodically are you

2908
02:20:40,490 --> 02:20:38,340
suggesting that dr. Schaack are you

2909
02:20:44,630 --> 02:20:40,500
suggesting that through ice core samples

2910
02:20:48,410 --> 02:20:44,640
and sedimented sediment layers around

2911
02:20:52,880 --> 02:20:48,420
the world that every 12 thousand years

2912
02:20:55,610 --> 02:20:52,890
that this this evidence is there yes yes

2913
02:20:57,440 --> 02:20:55,620
yes I mean we this needs more analysis I

2914
02:20:59,270 --> 02:20:57,450
always catch myself just like we were

2915
02:21:01,130 --> 02:20:59,280
talking about what did you say you were

2916
02:21:03,200 --> 02:21:01,140
making fun not making finally you were

2917
02:21:06,560 --> 02:21:03,210
you didn't like you were becoming my

2918
02:21:09,470 --> 02:21:06,570
language may sort of sort of maybe sort

2919
02:21:11,301 --> 02:21:09,480
of yeah yeah so I mean I don't want to

2920
02:21:13,430 --> 02:21:11,311
be too definitive on this because I

2921
02:21:16,190 --> 02:21:13,440
still want to look at more evidence but

2922
02:21:19,280 --> 02:21:16,200
it's certainly suggestive this way the

2923
02:21:22,400 --> 02:21:19,290
evidence I'm seeing that we have a star

2924
02:21:25,490 --> 02:21:22,410
which like any other star this is our

2925
02:21:28,341 --> 02:21:25,500
Sun our Sun and the Sun can be defined

2926
02:21:31,670 --> 02:21:28,351
as a star with plants around it so we've

2927
02:21:34,120 --> 02:21:31,680
got a Sun that behaves like most other

2928
02:21:37,011 --> 02:21:34,130
stars behave and they're not always

2929
02:21:39,740 --> 02:21:37,021
perfectly stable beautiful and they're

2930
02:21:42,380 --> 02:21:39,750
this hair still Ian ball of fire that's

2931
02:21:44,180 --> 02:21:42,390
unchanging and perfect I mean that's

2932
02:21:47,210 --> 02:21:44,190
what people have thought for thousands

2933
02:21:50,540 --> 02:21:47,220
of years well no it's not the case the

2934
02:21:52,790 --> 02:21:50,550
Sun goes through these cycles and I

2935
02:21:54,740 --> 02:21:52,800
think we may be I believe personally

2936
02:21:58,820 --> 02:21:54,750
based on the evidence that we're at the

2937
02:22:02,091 --> 02:21:58,830
verge of a new cycle arm and it's it

2938
02:22:05,301 --> 02:22:02,101
could be cast drop it for us on planet

2939
02:22:06,650 --> 02:22:05,311
earth today something that Katie and I

2940
02:22:08,330 --> 02:22:06,660
always think of when we think about

2941
02:22:10,040 --> 02:22:08,340
these things I'll just throw it out now

2942
02:22:12,770 --> 02:22:10,050
not only do we have all this

2943
02:22:15,740 --> 02:22:12,780
sophisticated technology with GPS and

2944
02:22:17,000 --> 02:22:15,750
satellites and communications we and I

2945
02:22:20,330 --> 02:22:17,010
think it was a big mistake

2946
02:22:24,100 --> 02:22:20,340
personally we have around the world

2947
02:22:27,740 --> 02:22:24,110
nuclear power plants and those will be

2948
02:22:29,660 --> 02:22:27,750
devastated by a solar outburst we saw

2949
02:22:32,600 --> 02:22:29,670
what happens with just a little

2950
02:22:36,560 --> 02:22:32,610
earthquake and what not tsunami with

2951
02:22:39,570 --> 02:22:36,570
Fukushima are there other are there

2952
02:22:44,940 --> 02:22:39,580
other gia geologists around the world

2953
02:22:47,490 --> 02:22:44,950
that are coming up with these same ideas

2954
02:22:49,349 --> 02:22:47,500
and research yes yes yes when you look

2955
02:22:51,510 --> 02:22:49,359
start looking at things like geophysical

2956
02:22:54,330 --> 02:22:51,520
research letters and whatnot yes it's

2957
02:22:56,340 --> 02:22:54,340
starting to come together now like

2958
02:22:58,830 --> 02:22:56,350
anything unfortunate 19 say

2959
02:23:04,230 --> 02:22:58,840
unfortunately in the sciences a lot of

2960
02:23:08,429 --> 02:23:04,240
people tend to be much more much science

2961
02:23:10,770 --> 02:23:08,439
breeds incredible specialization so

2962
02:23:12,870 --> 02:23:10,780
something that I've always been to a

2963
02:23:15,480 --> 02:23:12,880
certain extent it's not only having my

2964
02:23:17,070 --> 02:23:15,490
own specialties but also trying to

2965
02:23:19,320 --> 02:23:17,080
synthesize and look at the bigger

2966
02:23:22,260 --> 02:23:19,330
picture as we're talking about now so a

2967
02:23:24,710 --> 02:23:22,270
lot of it what happens is that you get

2968
02:23:27,120 --> 02:23:24,720
one paper that's talking about

2969
02:23:29,309 --> 02:23:27,130
earthquake anomalies and how they

2970
02:23:32,480 --> 02:23:29,319
correlate with solar flares or solar

2971
02:23:35,540 --> 02:23:32,490
activity another one looking at

2972
02:23:38,849 --> 02:23:35,550
specifically the changing magnetic pole

2973
02:23:40,530 --> 02:23:38,859
another one you know basically talking

2974
02:23:45,090 --> 02:23:40,540
about all the little details we've been

2975
02:23:48,179 --> 02:23:45,100
talking about and part of what I find

2976
02:23:51,570 --> 02:23:48,189
fascinating is synthesizing this all

2977
02:23:53,910 --> 02:23:51,580
together and also realizing in some

2978
02:23:55,710 --> 02:23:53,920
cases it's it's you know you got

2979
02:23:57,929 --> 02:23:55,720
specialists they can look at one little

2980
02:24:00,870 --> 02:23:57,939
piece but they don't put it into the

2981
02:24:03,719 --> 02:24:00,880
bigger picture and I sometimes wonder if

2982
02:24:07,020 --> 02:24:03,729
it's almost too scary to do that and

2983
02:24:09,900 --> 02:24:07,030
what about the the cross pollenization

2984
02:24:12,809 --> 02:24:09,910
of this with other types of research

2985
02:24:14,610 --> 02:24:12,819
like astrophysicists and theoretical

2986
02:24:17,070 --> 02:24:14,620
physicists that are looking at our solar

2987
02:24:22,170 --> 02:24:17,080
system and and the universe are they

2988
02:24:25,260 --> 02:24:22,180
seeing these same binding for instance

2989
02:24:27,660 --> 02:24:25,270
this is very interesting we're finding

2990
02:24:30,389 --> 02:24:27,670
more and more evidence that other stars

2991
02:24:34,290 --> 02:24:30,399
are just like the Sun that this other

2992
02:24:35,880 --> 02:24:34,300
stars they undergo these outbursts again

2993
02:24:39,630 --> 02:24:35,890
to use the term that some people are

2994
02:24:43,020 --> 02:24:39,640
using micro nove or many nove and some

2995
02:24:46,980 --> 02:24:43,030
of them are very regular basis as our

2996
02:24:49,670 --> 02:24:46,990
Sun may prove to be so they're not huge

2997
02:24:53,430 --> 02:24:49,680
people used to think in terms of Nova

2998
02:24:55,890 --> 02:24:53,440
Nova star going Nova it destroyed

2999
02:24:57,511 --> 02:24:55,900
all the planets in its solar system if

3000
02:24:59,341 --> 02:24:57,521
there are planets going around it just

3001
02:25:01,530 --> 02:24:59,351
fries them completely

3002
02:25:04,190 --> 02:25:01,540
no we're talking something different

3003
02:25:06,631 --> 02:25:04,200
where it's much more minor from an

3004
02:25:09,301 --> 02:25:06,641
Astrophysical point of view but of

3005
02:25:12,360 --> 02:25:09,311
course major for anything on the planet

3006
02:25:13,730 --> 02:25:12,370
life on the planet so we're finding I

3007
02:25:15,930 --> 02:25:13,740
think more and more evidence

3008
02:25:19,230 --> 02:25:15,940
astrophysically and if you start looking

3009
02:25:21,091 --> 02:25:19,240
up there's a lot in journals about this

3010
02:25:24,511 --> 02:25:21,101
buried in journals about other stars

3011
02:25:28,381 --> 02:25:24,521
they're doing just what I'm talking

3012
02:25:30,420 --> 02:25:28,391
about for the Sun and again to me that

3013
02:25:32,011 --> 02:25:30,430
as a scientist that's sort of comforting

3014
02:25:36,320 --> 02:25:32,021
that we're not talking about something

3015
02:25:40,740 --> 02:25:36,330
weird and extraordinary when you look at

3016
02:25:44,160 --> 02:25:40,750
the big picture more less you know other

3017
02:25:46,470 --> 02:25:44,170
stars out there other planetary systems

3018
02:25:48,750 --> 02:25:46,480
let's take a break right here and let's

3019
02:25:51,720 --> 02:25:48,760
get into a little bit of overtime dr.

3020
02:25:54,120 --> 02:25:51,730
Schaack and I'm going to when I come

3021
02:25:57,091 --> 02:25:54,130
back after the break I'm going to take

3022
02:25:59,370 --> 02:25:57,101
dr. Schaack out of the box and I do this

3023
02:26:00,830 --> 02:25:59,380
every single time he's on the show we'll

3024
02:26:03,810 --> 02:26:00,840
see if I can get him out of the closet

3025
02:26:05,820 --> 02:26:03,820
well this will be number eight Robert if

3026
02:26:07,470 --> 02:26:05,830
you think about it we'll be right back

3027
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we'll be right back after this short

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break our guest dr. Robert M shock this

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[Music]

3115
02:30:58,029 --> 02:30:55,840
all right welcome back an amazing

3116
02:30:58,779 --> 02:30:58,039
conversation with dr. Robert M shock

3117
02:31:03,519 --> 02:30:58,789
tonight

3118
02:31:07,389 --> 02:31:03,529
moving into overtime period and this is

3119
02:31:11,580 --> 02:31:07,399
a viewer me if you were I and you were

3120
02:31:15,090 --> 02:31:11,590
sitting with a geologist somebody that

3121
02:31:18,760 --> 02:31:15,100
you know a professor a PhD in geology

3122
02:31:21,519 --> 02:31:18,770
right from a Boston University you would

3123
02:31:25,659 --> 02:31:21,529
ask the questions that I am about to ask

3124
02:31:28,359 --> 02:31:25,669
so Robert let me get the thought out and

3125
02:31:31,059 --> 02:31:28,369
then I want your reaction okay and it's

3126
02:31:35,800 --> 02:31:31,069
and it's this I'm gonna get you to come

3127
02:31:39,159 --> 02:31:35,810
out of the closet here we go oh I've

3128
02:31:43,179 --> 02:31:39,169
been very successful with you it's this

3129
02:31:47,229 --> 02:31:43,189
this is the thought if the pyramids were

3130
02:31:49,359 --> 02:31:47,239
built at 2600 BC I'm talking about the

3131
02:31:53,139 --> 02:31:49,369
plateau right there we got three

3132
02:31:55,540 --> 02:31:53,149
pyramids let the the first two the two

3133
02:31:59,260 --> 02:31:55,550
Biggie's two and a half million blocks

3134
02:32:02,050 --> 02:31:59,270
each based on that in the peer logistics

3135
02:32:05,199 --> 02:32:02,060
there and the manpower the amount of

3136
02:32:07,510 --> 02:32:05,209
stones that were cut that's one thing

3137
02:32:08,550 --> 02:32:07,520
but there is something missing from the

3138
02:32:13,540 --> 02:32:08,560
Giza Plateau

3139
02:32:18,939 --> 02:32:13,550
there should be ginormous garbage pits

3140
02:32:23,619 --> 02:32:18,949
full of fish heads full of copper

3141
02:32:26,649 --> 02:32:23,629
chisels full of pigs bones and cow there

3142
02:32:30,880 --> 02:32:26,659
should be garbage there that would be

3143
02:32:34,149 --> 02:32:30,890
astronomical and it's not and the reason

3144
02:32:38,219 --> 02:32:34,159
why I'm concerned about that is that if

3145
02:32:40,599 --> 02:32:38,229
it's at 2600 BC then this debris

3146
02:32:42,909 --> 02:32:40,609
everything that would be involved with

3147
02:32:45,580 --> 02:32:42,919
that kind of manpower would be left

3148
02:32:52,050 --> 02:32:45,590
behind and there as evidence and it's

3149
02:32:54,849 --> 02:32:52,060
not why well I mean you're asking me

3150
02:32:57,580 --> 02:32:54,859
because I think a lot of this goes back

3151
02:32:59,649 --> 02:32:57,590
much earlier this actually ties in with

3152
02:33:01,659 --> 02:32:59,659
what we were talking about before we

3153
02:33:03,490 --> 02:33:01,669
remember we were talking about the

3154
02:33:06,310 --> 02:33:03,500
underground cities all right I can

3155
02:33:10,330 --> 02:33:06,320
the same point that you would pull out

3156
02:33:12,790 --> 02:33:10,340
so much debris and whatnot building

3157
02:33:14,560 --> 02:33:12,800
these huge underground cities you'd have

3158
02:33:17,320 --> 02:33:14,570
to bring that to the surface you'd have

3159
02:33:19,750 --> 02:33:17,330
huge piles of it that's all dissipate

3160
02:33:21,760 --> 02:33:19,760
away it's all gone to the wind so speak

3161
02:33:24,220 --> 02:33:21,770
it's weathered away what you have at the

3162
02:33:26,380 --> 02:33:24,230
Giza Plateau is a little bit different

3163
02:33:28,900 --> 02:33:26,390
situation and I've actually contended

3164
02:33:30,850 --> 02:33:28,910
this for a long time that many of these

3165
02:33:36,370 --> 02:33:30,860
structures at least their origins I

3166
02:33:38,500 --> 02:33:36,380
don't deny 2600 BC I don't deny that the

3167
02:33:41,770 --> 02:33:38,510
ancient dynastic Egyptians were using

3168
02:33:44,230 --> 02:33:41,780
the plateau that they were carving some

3169
02:33:46,090 --> 02:33:44,240
tombs there even that they were using

3170
02:33:48,400 --> 02:33:46,100
the structures they were repairing the

3171
02:33:50,440 --> 02:33:48,410
structures there's direct evidence of

3172
02:33:53,590 --> 02:33:50,450
that they were repairing the Sphinx they

3173
02:33:56,110 --> 02:33:53,600
recurved the head I'm convinced they

3174
02:33:59,410 --> 02:33:56,120
were doing things with the Great Pyramid

3175
02:34:01,690 --> 02:33:59,420
and second pyramid and third pyramid but

3176
02:34:06,070 --> 02:34:01,700
they weren't the originators of all

3177
02:34:08,320 --> 02:34:06,080
these structures and not only do you

3178
02:34:10,180 --> 02:34:08,330
have a situation where any original

3179
02:34:13,210 --> 02:34:10,190
garbage and debris as you were talking

3180
02:34:18,790 --> 02:34:13,220
about would have long wasted away would

3181
02:34:20,320 --> 02:34:18,800
have weathered away disintegrated that

3182
02:34:23,380 --> 02:34:20,330
type of thing but you had all these

3183
02:34:25,900 --> 02:34:23,390
other guys using the plateau and I'm not

3184
02:34:27,520 --> 02:34:25,910
saying they were neat freaks but they

3185
02:34:30,340 --> 02:34:27,530
would have cleaned up some of this they

3186
02:34:33,430 --> 02:34:30,350
probably moved some of it out of the way

3187
02:34:36,040 --> 02:34:33,440
and we actually have a lot of evidence

3188
02:34:39,660 --> 02:34:36,050
that that's exactly what happened so

3189
02:34:43,570 --> 02:34:39,670
I'll give you example the Giza Plateau

3190
02:34:47,400 --> 02:34:43,580
2,000 years ago in ancient Roman times

3191
02:34:50,530 --> 02:34:47,410
was highly venerated it was used people

3192
02:34:53,800 --> 02:34:50,540
visited we know that there were all

3193
02:34:56,800 --> 02:34:53,810
kinds of Roman structure steps and

3194
02:34:58,630 --> 02:34:56,810
pathways that type of thing where are

3195
02:35:01,590 --> 02:34:58,640
they now they were actually all removed

3196
02:35:05,200 --> 02:35:01,600
in the last 2,000 years so it's

3197
02:35:07,770 --> 02:35:05,210
undergone a number of changes and a lot

3198
02:35:10,150 --> 02:35:07,780
of that debris I'm sure was removed

3199
02:35:13,060 --> 02:35:10,160
purposefully when they was being reused

3200
02:35:15,921 --> 02:35:13,070
for other purposes etc besides having

3201
02:35:17,690 --> 02:35:15,931
simply decayed away because

3202
02:35:22,900 --> 02:35:17,700
the reason why I think this is such an

3203
02:35:26,421 --> 02:35:22,910
important point is that your classic

3204
02:35:29,541 --> 02:35:26,431
Egyptologist their argument doesn't hold

3205
02:35:33,740 --> 02:35:29,551
water and one of the other things that I

3206
02:35:36,650 --> 02:35:33,750
pull into play here is simply population

3207
02:35:39,020 --> 02:35:36,660
and when you go and you look at the

3208
02:35:42,860 --> 02:35:39,030
population curve and you can find these

3209
02:35:45,470 --> 02:35:42,870
charts all over the internet about how

3210
02:35:49,541 --> 02:35:45,480
many people lived in ancient Egypt

3211
02:35:52,970 --> 02:35:49,551
at this time every man woman and child

3212
02:35:56,961 --> 02:35:52,980
from the Mediterranean to the origins of

3213
02:36:01,910 --> 02:35:56,971
the Nile going into Ethiopia was put to

3214
02:36:03,470 --> 02:36:01,920
work oh yeah it was insane right yeah

3215
02:36:05,091 --> 02:36:03,480
they were all put to work they were all

3216
02:36:07,251 --> 02:36:05,101
doing this I don't know how they got

3217
02:36:09,470 --> 02:36:07,261
anything else done if that was the case

3218
02:36:13,490 --> 02:36:09,480
I mean it's one of the things that they

3219
02:36:15,860 --> 02:36:13,500
avoid in in this conversation you know

3220
02:36:18,140 --> 02:36:15,870
that's it it doesn't really make sense I

3221
02:36:22,011 --> 02:36:18,150
mean it makes a lot more sense I think

3222
02:36:24,621 --> 02:36:22,021
from a logistic point of view that these

3223
02:36:27,200 --> 02:36:24,631
things go back much earlier and frankly

3224
02:36:29,480 --> 02:36:27,210
they they span a longer period of time

3225
02:36:32,961 --> 02:36:29,490
as far as construction and rebuilding

3226
02:36:34,820 --> 02:36:32,971
that type of thing when you go in if you

3227
02:36:36,621 --> 02:36:34,830
look at if this is what I find

3228
02:36:39,530 --> 02:36:36,631
fascinating right you go and you look at

3229
02:36:41,270 --> 02:36:39,540
a chart of of the pyramids from Saqqara

3230
02:36:42,711 --> 02:36:41,280
all the way to geesa and you look at the

3231
02:36:45,020 --> 02:36:42,721
amount of pyramids and you look at the

3232
02:36:47,900 --> 02:36:45,030
size of them and they're trying to tell

3233
02:36:52,671 --> 02:36:47,910
you that this went down in a hundred

3234
02:36:56,331 --> 02:36:52,681
fifty years right it's like stop with

3235
02:37:00,381 --> 02:36:56,341
that it's impossible there wasn't enough

3236
02:37:02,860 --> 02:37:00,391
people there to do this I agree with you

3237
02:37:05,541 --> 02:37:02,870
I I don't understand that part that's

3238
02:37:07,730 --> 02:37:05,551
plus it's not just what you see on the

3239
02:37:10,730 --> 02:37:07,740
surface but there's a lot under the

3240
02:37:13,190 --> 02:37:10,740
surface and I mean that in a double way

3241
02:37:14,600 --> 02:37:13,200
one there are structures for instance

3242
02:37:16,551 --> 02:37:14,610
I'm convinced that he'll War in

3243
02:37:20,780 --> 02:37:16,561
particular this is a site that I'd like

3244
02:37:22,671 --> 02:37:20,790
to get into more especially if I could

3245
02:37:24,171 --> 02:37:22,681
do it through Oracle the Organization

3246
02:37:26,871 --> 02:37:24,181
for the research of ancient cultures

3247
02:37:29,360 --> 02:37:26,881
it's one of the projects we'd like to do

3248
02:37:29,780 --> 02:37:29,370
there's evidence of essentially what's

3249
02:37:34,910 --> 02:37:29,790
been called

3250
02:37:38,090 --> 02:37:34,920
labyrinths outside in the area outside

3251
02:37:41,090 --> 02:37:38,100
the pyramid there but as that's that's

3252
02:37:44,720 --> 02:37:41,100
awara that's a car for instance there

3253
02:37:47,720 --> 02:37:44,730
are a huge underground not exactly a

3254
02:37:50,630 --> 02:37:47,730
city but underground chambers and

3255
02:37:54,790 --> 02:37:50,640
whatnot which would have been a huge

3256
02:37:57,230 --> 02:37:54,800
feat to carve out independent of the

3257
02:37:59,960 --> 02:37:57,240
pyramid that you see on the surface so

3258
02:38:02,390 --> 02:37:59,970
there's a lot going on and it really

3259
02:38:05,000 --> 02:38:02,400
boggles the mind and I absolutely agree

3260
02:38:06,710 --> 02:38:05,010
with you it doesn't make sense that this

3261
02:38:09,560 --> 02:38:06,720
all happened within a very short period

3262
02:38:13,060 --> 02:38:09,570
during dynastic times it doesn't make

3263
02:38:15,620 --> 02:38:13,070
any sense and I'm just talking about the

3264
02:38:18,860 --> 02:38:15,630
logistical part look we can talk about

3265
02:38:20,180 --> 02:38:18,870
the amount of rocks that were carved we

3266
02:38:23,330 --> 02:38:20,190
can talk about the weight of the red

3267
02:38:25,280 --> 02:38:23,340
granite that you know and traveling 500

3268
02:38:28,430 --> 02:38:25,290
miles and how did they pull that okay

3269
02:38:30,890 --> 02:38:28,440
all right that Aswan we yes I understand

3270
02:38:32,360 --> 02:38:30,900
all of that but for me I just step back

3271
02:38:36,170 --> 02:38:32,370
and I go wait a minute two and a half

3272
02:38:39,920 --> 02:38:36,180
million stones that means copper chisels

3273
02:38:43,250 --> 02:38:39,930
which wouldn't work why you're talking a

3274
02:38:46,310 --> 02:38:43,260
mini copper chisels per block not one

3275
02:38:49,520 --> 02:38:46,320
more block right now we're talking about

3276
02:38:52,190 --> 02:38:49,530
a huge amount of copper a huge amount of

3277
02:38:54,740 --> 02:38:52,200
what where is everything

3278
02:38:56,990 --> 02:38:54,750
no it just doesn't it doesn't it doesn't

3279
02:38:59,030 --> 02:38:57,000
it doesn't work the logistics don't work

3280
02:39:02,420 --> 02:38:59,040
see this is I think one of the problems

3281
02:39:04,370 --> 02:39:02,430
to the Egyptologists have done a certain

3282
02:39:06,320 --> 02:39:04,380
number of I guess experimental

3283
02:39:08,660 --> 02:39:06,330
archaeology is what we can call it

3284
02:39:11,540 --> 02:39:08,670
that's a term they often use okay so you

3285
02:39:14,810 --> 02:39:11,550
take a copper chisel and you chip out

3286
02:39:17,180 --> 02:39:14,820
one little block and you have to keep re

3287
02:39:20,230 --> 02:39:17,190
honing your copper chisel because it's

3288
02:39:23,030 --> 02:39:20,240
bending on you and what not and then you

3289
02:39:24,890 --> 02:39:23,040
off-camera you cheat and use some power

3290
02:39:27,350 --> 02:39:24,900
tools I mean they really do that they do

3291
02:39:29,120 --> 02:39:27,360
this yes yes yeah yeah and then you know

3292
02:39:31,790 --> 02:39:29,130
lo and behold for a National Geographic

3293
02:39:34,520 --> 02:39:31,800
or whatever special I don't want you

3294
02:39:36,860 --> 02:39:34,530
know build National Geographic so maybe

3295
02:39:39,080 --> 02:39:36,870
it wasn't them but whatever they do is

3296
02:39:41,180 --> 02:39:39,090
special I know they show how they did it

3297
02:39:43,130 --> 02:39:41,190
with ancient tools well were they really

3298
02:39:45,800 --> 02:39:43,140
done they've cut out a couple blah

3299
02:39:47,679 --> 02:39:45,810
they've cheated a little bit on the side

3300
02:39:51,710 --> 02:39:47,689
it doesn't really demonstrate anything

3301
02:39:55,189 --> 02:39:51,720
and especially not when you scaled up to

3302
02:39:57,740 --> 02:39:55,199
what really happened in ancient times

3303
02:40:00,139 --> 02:39:57,750
and you look at the real structures yeah

3304
02:40:02,599 --> 02:40:00,149
millions of blocks as you say to the

3305
02:40:06,139 --> 02:40:02,609
logistics don't work no and and I know

3306
02:40:08,360 --> 02:40:06,149
I'm being a little juvenile here and how

3307
02:40:11,269 --> 02:40:08,370
I'm trying to present this but I've

3308
02:40:15,019 --> 02:40:11,279
studied the point it makes the point yes

3309
02:40:20,210 --> 02:40:15,029
because if you if you sit there with a

3310
02:40:21,920 --> 02:40:20,220
modern situation where you've got

3311
02:40:25,370 --> 02:40:21,930
cameras rolling and you are

3312
02:40:30,649 --> 02:40:25,380
demonstrating that it takes a day to

3313
02:40:32,599 --> 02:40:30,659
carve one of these blocks that tips

3314
02:40:35,570 --> 02:40:32,609
everything over it doesn't make any

3315
02:40:38,059 --> 02:40:35,580
sense because this is supposed to be 25

3316
02:40:41,479 --> 02:40:38,069
years in a period where these blocks

3317
02:40:46,990 --> 02:40:41,489
were quarried and placed every two and a

3318
02:40:49,309 --> 02:40:47,000
half minutes every stonemason and

3319
02:40:54,740 --> 02:40:49,319
specialist and such things that I've

3320
02:40:56,960 --> 02:40:54,750
ever interacted with they some of the

3321
02:40:58,849 --> 02:40:56,970
cases those they serve tried to support

3322
02:41:01,790 --> 02:40:58,859
the standard standard story and they

3323
02:41:03,410 --> 02:41:01,800
said oh yeah I could do that etc etc but

3324
02:41:05,420 --> 02:41:03,420
then when you talk to them further about

3325
02:41:08,120 --> 02:41:05,430
how long it would take them to do it how

3326
02:41:10,969 --> 02:41:08,130
much it would cost in modern money and

3327
02:41:12,889 --> 02:41:10,979
also what tools they're using etc and

3328
02:41:15,769 --> 02:41:12,899
you put it together I come to the same

3329
02:41:17,990 --> 02:41:15,779
conclusion that you're driving at it

3330
02:41:20,540 --> 02:41:18,000
doesn't really make sense to extrapolate

3331
02:41:22,849 --> 02:41:20,550
this back into dynastic times and say

3332
02:41:24,649 --> 02:41:22,859
that they did it now when are we gonna

3333
02:41:27,439 --> 02:41:24,659
get so did that would the way the

3334
02:41:30,080 --> 02:41:27,449
standard Egyptologists and historians

3335
02:41:34,939 --> 02:41:30,090
claim now when are we going to get to

3336
02:41:37,849 --> 02:41:34,949
the bottom of the the library the

3337
02:41:40,399 --> 02:41:37,859
chamber of secrets underneath this is

3338
02:41:42,469 --> 02:41:40,409
very very important that's under this

3339
02:41:44,570 --> 02:41:42,479
you're going back in time for me

3340
02:41:47,780 --> 02:41:44,580
personally but also forward in time

3341
02:41:50,149 --> 02:41:47,790
because there is that chamber under the

3342
02:41:53,000 --> 02:41:50,159
left paw the Sphinx that Thomas de beki

3343
02:41:56,280 --> 02:41:53,010
and I found with geophysical techniques

3344
02:41:58,720 --> 02:41:56,290
back in the early 1990s

3345
02:42:02,261 --> 02:41:58,730
you know the Egyptian authorities have

3346
02:42:04,720 --> 02:42:02,271
learned to sort of squelch this and what

3347
02:42:06,730 --> 02:42:04,730
not to my knowledge yes there's lots of

3348
02:42:08,680 --> 02:42:06,740
rumors people argue that well maybe

3349
02:42:10,871 --> 02:42:08,690
they've already gone into it I don't see

3350
02:42:13,240 --> 02:42:10,881
any good evidence of that but it is

3351
02:42:15,791 --> 02:42:13,250
there and as you know we have the

3352
02:42:18,640 --> 02:42:15,801
textual evidence now with metod being

3353
02:42:22,331 --> 02:42:18,650
The Guardian met hit she was a lioness

3354
02:42:24,791 --> 02:42:22,341
that was the original incarnation the

3355
02:42:27,310 --> 02:42:24,801
original version of the Sphinx guarding

3356
02:42:30,900 --> 02:42:27,320
the archive underneath her under the

3357
02:42:34,480 --> 02:42:30,910
left paw so I am doing everything I can

3358
02:42:39,430 --> 02:42:34,490
working a way to raise money and get

3359
02:42:42,511 --> 02:42:39,440
permission to explore that further let

3360
02:42:47,520 --> 02:42:42,521
me put it that way and this will be a

3361
02:42:51,371 --> 02:42:47,530
major I think a major discovery

3362
02:42:53,200 --> 02:42:51,381
potentially when we get finally get in

3363
02:42:55,841 --> 02:42:53,210
and we don't know what's going to be in

3364
02:42:59,530 --> 02:42:55,851
there but I think it could be incredibly

3365
02:43:04,200 --> 02:42:59,540
significant to Joe so it's going to take

3366
02:43:06,581 --> 02:43:04,210
money and cooperation does the

3367
02:43:09,251 --> 02:43:06,591
government does the government there

3368
02:43:10,751 --> 02:43:09,261
know that there was something underneath

3369
02:43:13,600 --> 02:43:10,761
the Sphinx I mean do they know

3370
02:43:17,171 --> 02:43:13,610
absolutely they I had I turned over all

3371
02:43:20,081 --> 02:43:17,181
the raw data etc to the Egyptian

3372
02:43:25,030 --> 02:43:20,091
government they're aware of the raw data

3373
02:43:27,280 --> 02:43:25,040
spoken with authorities there some of

3374
02:43:29,020 --> 02:43:27,290
them have you knows I Hawass we don't

3375
02:43:30,730 --> 02:43:29,030
need to get into him now he's denied

3376
02:43:33,581 --> 02:43:30,740
that there's anything there even though

3377
02:43:36,610 --> 02:43:33,591
he had all the raw data but times

3378
02:43:40,001 --> 02:43:36,620
changed different people are now in the

3379
02:43:43,270 --> 02:43:40,011
top positions and I think there's a new

3380
02:43:46,600 --> 02:43:43,280
openness and willingness potentially to

3381
02:43:48,400 --> 02:43:46,610
explore further and so I'm very I want

3382
02:43:50,890 --> 02:43:48,410
to stay very positive very hopeful that

3383
02:43:56,310 --> 02:43:50,900
we'll have a chance to explore the

3384
02:43:58,720 --> 02:43:56,320
chamber and the the Grand Museum is

3385
02:44:00,970 --> 02:43:58,730
waiting for this I thought it was going

3386
02:44:03,671 --> 02:44:00,980
to be open last November

3387
02:44:06,490 --> 02:44:03,681
yeah it's suppose I'm told that it may

3388
02:44:08,591 --> 02:44:06,500
be open this summer and part of the

3389
02:44:09,930 --> 02:44:08,601
question is it so for those that don't

3390
02:44:14,171 --> 02:44:09,940
know it's the

3391
02:44:15,610 --> 02:44:14,181
brand-new Multi multi multi I don't know

3392
02:44:18,881 --> 02:44:15,620
how many tens of millions of dollars

3393
02:44:22,360 --> 02:44:18,891
museum that they're building to house

3394
02:44:25,810 --> 02:44:22,370
all the well not all of them but you

3395
02:44:30,520 --> 02:44:25,820
know the major antiquities the beautiful

3396
02:44:33,580 --> 02:44:30,530
statuary etc that is now currently in

3397
02:44:35,261 --> 02:44:33,590
the Old Cairo Museum the Egyptian Museum

3398
02:44:39,280 --> 02:44:35,271
in Cairo which is a beautiful building

3399
02:44:41,680 --> 02:44:39,290
itself that goes back to what late 1800s

3400
02:44:44,530 --> 02:44:41,690
Early 1900s somewhere around there turn

3401
02:44:47,381 --> 02:44:44,540
of that century but it's you know it's

3402
02:44:49,841 --> 02:44:47,391
olds or Victorian style to put it

3403
02:44:54,520 --> 02:44:49,851
crudely and they are building this

3404
02:44:57,970 --> 02:44:54,530
beautiful new modern Museum state of the

3405
02:45:00,040 --> 02:44:57,980
art Katie and I had the opportunity to

3406
02:45:01,720 --> 02:45:00,050
speak with the director at length when

3407
02:45:04,841 --> 02:45:01,730
we were there on one of our trips to

3408
02:45:07,780 --> 02:45:04,851
Egypt he showed us parts of it that have

3409
02:45:10,080 --> 02:45:07,790
been completed something that they did

3410
02:45:14,520 --> 02:45:10,090
which makes a lot of sense as they

3411
02:45:17,381 --> 02:45:14,530
completed their conservation restoration

3412
02:45:20,320 --> 02:45:17,391
portions first so that they can conserve

3413
02:45:24,160 --> 02:45:20,330
and protect the antiquities before they

3414
02:45:26,470 --> 02:45:24,170
put them on display it's going to look

3415
02:45:28,631 --> 02:45:26,480
out to the Giza Plateau so they'll be

3416
02:45:29,921 --> 02:45:28,641
essentially like a big window on one

3417
02:45:32,280 --> 02:45:29,931
part of the museum where you can

3418
02:45:34,930 --> 02:45:32,290
actually look out and see the pyramids

3419
02:45:38,860 --> 02:45:34,940
not that's that close to it's not going

3420
02:45:40,780 --> 02:45:38,870
to obscure the plateau and it's pretty

3421
02:45:42,671 --> 02:45:40,790
good doing that's pretty close I'm

3422
02:45:46,720 --> 02:45:42,681
looking through the windows it's really

3423
02:45:48,430 --> 02:45:46,730
close what I'm saying is that I don't

3424
02:45:49,990 --> 02:45:48,440
think you can see when you're on the

3425
02:45:51,970 --> 02:45:50,000
plateau it's not like all of a sudden

3426
02:45:55,120 --> 02:45:51,980
this big building is looming and now

3427
02:45:55,631 --> 02:45:55,130
making the pyramids look bad that was my

3428
02:45:57,220 --> 02:45:55,641
point

3429
02:45:59,320 --> 02:45:57,230
right I I think they're doing a very

3430
02:46:01,841 --> 02:45:59,330
good job with it it's incredible what

3431
02:46:04,540 --> 02:46:01,851
they're doing and very well designed is

3432
02:46:07,421 --> 02:46:04,550
it's it's going to be gorgeous I believe

3433
02:46:10,091 --> 02:46:07,431
and something that the director said to

3434
02:46:13,120 --> 02:46:10,101
us is this not just for tourists in fact

3435
02:46:14,921 --> 02:46:13,130
it's not even primarily for tourists yes

3436
02:46:16,780 --> 02:46:14,931
of course they like tourists and they're

3437
02:46:19,631 --> 02:46:16,790
very proud of their country and the

3438
02:46:22,030 --> 02:46:19,641
scheme of the world but he also

3439
02:46:23,639 --> 02:46:22,040
impressed to us that he wants it for the

3440
02:46:25,679 --> 02:46:23,649
Egyptian people to understand

3441
02:46:27,179 --> 02:46:25,689
their own heritage and to appreciate

3442
02:46:32,099 --> 02:46:27,189
their own heritage which i think is

3443
02:46:35,580 --> 02:46:32,109
wonderful 750 million dollars spent so

3444
02:46:38,760 --> 02:46:35,590
far and they're like seven hundred seven

3445
02:46:41,130 --> 02:46:38,770
hundred and fifty million dollars okay

3446
02:46:42,359 --> 02:46:41,140
that makes sense that I believe that

3447
02:46:44,279 --> 02:46:42,369
yeah I didn't realize it was quite that

3448
02:46:46,949 --> 02:46:44,289
high already

3449
02:46:48,989 --> 02:46:46,959
Wow they're playing lot into this I

3450
02:46:50,309 --> 02:46:48,999
heard some numbers last week I was

3451
02:46:53,269 --> 02:46:50,319
watching a documentary and the

3452
02:46:57,689 --> 02:46:53,279
construction and they are actually

3453
02:46:59,580 --> 02:46:57,699
comfortable in saying 1.1 billion when

3454
02:47:01,319 --> 02:46:59,590
it's all said and done yeah that makes

3455
02:47:04,889 --> 02:47:01,329
sense that makes sense that makes sense

3456
02:47:08,639 --> 02:47:04,899
actually and that's a lot of money

3457
02:47:11,639 --> 02:47:08,649
especially in Egypt it's it's huge and

3458
02:47:16,319 --> 02:47:11,649
it's huge but they're there I think it's

3459
02:47:19,019 --> 02:47:16,329
well worth it they're there it's you

3460
02:47:21,330 --> 02:47:19,029
know it's there's what can you say it's

3461
02:47:23,729 --> 02:47:21,340
Egypt and they have some of the most

3462
02:47:26,880 --> 02:47:23,739
incredible antiquities and it makes

3463
02:47:29,460 --> 02:47:26,890
sense in my opinion to conserve them

3464
02:47:32,659 --> 02:47:29,470
properly to preserve them properly and

3465
02:47:36,929 --> 02:47:32,669
to display them in the best way possible

3466
02:47:39,719 --> 02:47:36,939
so what's up next for you not only for

3467
02:47:43,219 --> 02:47:39,729
research in your trips but everything

3468
02:47:46,889 --> 02:47:43,229
else what what's what's on the horizon

3469
02:47:48,989 --> 02:47:46,899
well the research continues the trips

3470
02:47:51,239 --> 02:47:48,999
continue but that ties in with the

3471
02:47:53,370 --> 02:47:51,249
research and something we mentioned this

3472
02:47:56,580 --> 02:47:53,380
very briefly that I'm very excited about

3473
02:47:59,189 --> 02:47:56,590
is doing a documentary with Jim fields

3474
02:48:01,859 --> 02:47:59,199
and we hope to start shooting part of

3475
02:48:04,889 --> 02:48:01,869
that at least preliminarily in Egypt

3476
02:48:07,439 --> 02:48:04,899
this summer and this is being done with

3477
02:48:11,269 --> 02:48:07,449
the organization for the research of

3478
02:48:15,420 --> 02:48:11,279
ancient cultures which is a non-profit

3479
02:48:20,069 --> 02:48:15,430
you know fully government-approved

3480
02:48:23,909 --> 02:48:20,079
should we say nonprofit organization

3481
02:48:25,349 --> 02:48:23,919
that I am a founding member of but other

3482
02:48:26,969 --> 02:48:25,359
people of course are involved and we

3483
02:48:29,189 --> 02:48:26,979
have a board of directors that type of

3484
02:48:32,340 --> 02:48:29,199
thing but we're going to do this

3485
02:48:35,010 --> 02:48:32,350
documentary we hope and we also want to

3486
02:48:36,780 --> 02:48:35,020
raise money for research including some

3487
02:48:40,350 --> 02:48:36,790
of the projects we've been talking about

3488
02:48:42,270 --> 02:48:40,360
during the conversation today so I hope

3489
02:48:44,940 --> 02:48:42,280
that I know you have always links from

3490
02:48:47,540 --> 02:48:44,950
your website I hope that people will go

3491
02:48:52,490 --> 02:48:47,550
to my website Robert Schoch comm and

3492
02:48:55,380 --> 02:48:52,500
look at the links look at the really

3493
02:48:57,240 --> 02:48:55,390
they can get information there as to

3494
02:48:59,370 --> 02:48:57,250
what's going on in the latest

3495
02:49:01,770 --> 02:48:59,380
developments and there's links to Oracle

3496
02:49:03,690 --> 02:49:01,780
in the projects so I'm excited about all

3497
02:49:04,650 --> 02:49:03,700
this and look I think we have a very

3498
02:49:06,240 --> 02:49:04,660
bright future

3499
02:49:08,100 --> 02:49:06,250
now you're gonna be we're gonna see you

3500
02:49:13,050 --> 02:49:08,110
next month and I'm very excited about

3501
02:49:14,430 --> 02:49:13,060
this you and can't just live Expo what

3502
02:49:18,090 --> 02:49:14,440
are you going to be speaking about this

3503
02:49:22,410 --> 02:49:18,100
time around well I have to think about

3504
02:49:24,090 --> 02:49:22,420
that don't I think I actually I'll

3505
02:49:25,170 --> 02:49:24,100
probably I think some of the things

3506
02:49:27,900 --> 02:49:25,180
we've been talking about during this

3507
02:49:31,650 --> 02:49:27,910
conversation to elaborate on that I'll

3508
02:49:34,110 --> 02:49:31,660
come back to Egypt and Turkey and really

3509
02:49:36,810 --> 02:49:34,120
I think probably when I'll focus on is

3510
02:49:40,160 --> 02:49:36,820
the end of the last ice age and all the

3511
02:49:43,020 --> 02:49:40,170
new evidence as accumulating for

3512
02:49:45,180 --> 02:49:43,030
incredibly sophisticated cultures and

3513
02:49:47,430 --> 02:49:45,190
civilizations around the world but also

3514
02:49:50,460 --> 02:49:47,440
the warning of you know what happened to

3515
02:49:53,761 --> 02:49:50,470
them and how we need to learn from that

3516
02:49:56,761 --> 02:49:53,771
well safe travels coming out here and

3517
02:49:59,610 --> 02:49:56,771
the links for Roberts website are right

3518
02:50:02,880 --> 02:49:59,620
there two meters radio calm do go and

3519
02:50:05,580 --> 02:50:02,890
check out Oracle I dunno I believe

3520
02:50:07,680 --> 02:50:05,590
you're Egypt tours your two trips out

3521
02:50:09,960 --> 02:50:07,690
those are both sold out those are both

3522
02:50:11,790 --> 02:50:09,970
sold out at the moment but what I would

3523
02:50:14,190 --> 02:50:11,800
do is encourage people to get my

3524
02:50:15,840 --> 02:50:14,200
personal mailing list so when you go to

3525
02:50:19,320 --> 02:50:15,850
Robert Schoch and everyone should know

3526
02:50:22,590 --> 02:50:19,330
how spell my name s CH och Robert Schoch

3527
02:50:24,990 --> 02:50:22,600
calm you can sign up for my personal

3528
02:50:27,180 --> 02:50:25,000
mailing list go to the contact page and

3529
02:50:30,180 --> 02:50:27,190
they'll give you information but also go

3530
02:50:32,880 --> 02:50:30,190
to Oracle's website and there's a link

3531
02:50:36,180 --> 02:50:32,890
from my website and get put on the

3532
02:50:40,590 --> 02:50:36,190
Oracle mailing list because even though

3533
02:50:43,230 --> 02:50:40,600
the current Egypt trips are sold out the

3534
02:50:46,320 --> 02:50:43,240
board of directors of Oracle has already

3535
02:50:48,630 --> 02:50:46,330
been discussing possibility of future

3536
02:50:50,761 --> 02:50:48,640
trips not this year but in coming years

3537
02:50:53,491 --> 02:50:50,771
and not only to Egypt

3538
02:50:55,230 --> 02:50:53,501
the other places as well so because

3539
02:50:58,951 --> 02:50:55,240
that's part of the educational mission

3540
02:51:01,081 --> 02:50:58,961
of Oracle to take people to some of

3541
02:51:03,001 --> 02:51:01,091
these sites because there's you know you

3542
02:51:07,320 --> 02:51:03,011
can read about them all you want you can

3543
02:51:11,100 --> 02:51:07,330
look at YouTube videos and documentary

3544
02:51:13,980 --> 02:51:11,110
specials etc but there is really nothing

3545
02:51:16,831 --> 02:51:13,990
like going to see them for yourself and

3546
02:51:18,991 --> 02:51:16,841
experience in them no no I don't for

3547
02:51:21,421 --> 02:51:19,001
yourself so I'm not criticizing you

3548
02:51:23,310 --> 02:51:21,431
Jimmy I know you're with me sometimes

3549
02:51:26,491 --> 02:51:23,320
this is the thing I'm just saying for

3550
02:51:29,461 --> 02:51:26,501
the general person if they can make it

3551
02:51:32,341 --> 02:51:29,471
work for them it's great to visit the

3552
02:51:34,770 --> 02:51:32,351
sites now not everyone can for various

3553
02:51:37,261 --> 02:51:34,780
reasons whether it's personal or

3554
02:51:39,331 --> 02:51:37,271
financial or whatnot I understand that

3555
02:51:42,360 --> 02:51:39,341
so you know I'm not criticizing anyone

3556
02:51:45,421 --> 02:51:42,370
but if people have a chance it's always

3557
02:51:47,131 --> 02:51:45,431
fun to do yeah I don't know of course

3558
02:51:48,991 --> 02:51:47,141
there's the King's Chamber and there's

3559
02:51:52,440 --> 02:51:49,001
Kisa and the and the and the Great

3560
02:51:56,190 --> 02:51:52,450
Sphinx but getting off of the plateau

3561
02:51:58,591 --> 02:51:56,200
I don't know and and Luxor and I get all

3562
02:52:02,551 --> 02:51:58,601
of that but for me at Walt the Sarah

3563
02:52:05,871 --> 02:52:02,561
p.m. of course but I think I'm gonna go

3564
02:52:12,631 --> 02:52:05,881
to Ed foo you know oh that's incredible

3565
02:52:16,650 --> 02:52:12,641
incredible right there is so much in

3566
02:52:18,541 --> 02:52:16,660
Egypt so much in Egypt so if people have

3567
02:52:21,480 --> 02:52:18,551
a chance but you know the second best

3568
02:52:25,381 --> 02:52:21,490
thing it is really incredible what we

3569
02:52:27,961 --> 02:52:25,391
can do now with modern technology of

3570
02:52:30,720 --> 02:52:27,971
people get a good sense of it from

3571
02:52:32,310 --> 02:52:30,730
videos and that type of thing and I've

3572
02:52:33,841 --> 02:52:32,320
had people that travel with me and

3573
02:52:35,461 --> 02:52:33,851
they've watched a lot of videos and

3574
02:52:38,400 --> 02:52:35,471
whatnot it actually I encourage people

3575
02:52:40,741 --> 02:52:38,410
to do that whether they can or can

3576
02:52:43,530 --> 02:52:40,751
whether they can travel to Egypt or not

3577
02:52:45,991 --> 02:52:43,540
because those that can't of course that

3578
02:52:48,690 --> 02:52:46,001
is the next best substitute but those

3579
02:52:49,650 --> 02:52:48,700
that do travel for instance with me or

3580
02:52:52,921 --> 02:52:49,660
whatever

3581
02:52:55,890 --> 02:52:52,931
if you familiarized yourself with a site

3582
02:52:57,211 --> 02:52:55,900
well ahead of time and you you get that

3583
02:53:00,600 --> 02:52:57,221
much more out of it

3584
02:53:03,250 --> 02:53:00,610
so yes both ways absolutely well safe

3585
02:53:05,649 --> 02:53:03,260
travels for you and Katie and

3586
02:53:07,750 --> 02:53:05,659
and give her my back and and we'll break

3587
02:53:09,880 --> 02:53:07,760
bread in about a month I can't believe

3588
02:53:12,130 --> 02:53:09,890
it we'll see you guys great to see you

3589
02:53:15,550 --> 02:53:12,140
and I hope everyone can make it there

3590
02:53:17,710 --> 02:53:15,560
that you know the conscious life Expo

3591
02:53:21,969 --> 02:53:17,720
we're talking about ten fifteen thousand

3592
02:53:24,639 --> 02:53:21,979
people it's it's just a huge event and

3593
02:53:26,830 --> 02:53:24,649
and what you want to do everybody's go

3594
02:53:29,439 --> 02:53:26,840
up to Robert take a picture of him and

3595
02:53:36,580 --> 02:53:29,449
make him take a picture of you and you

3596
02:53:38,080 --> 02:53:36,590
guys do it together that's safe travels

3597
02:53:40,479 --> 02:53:38,090
to you and Katie and we'll see you guys

3598
02:53:42,130 --> 02:53:40,489
shortly yeah we'll see you soon we're

3599
02:53:43,750 --> 02:53:42,140
looking forward to it thank you so much

3600
02:53:48,760 --> 02:53:43,760
Robert have a great rest of your night

3601
02:53:51,099 --> 02:53:48,770
okay thank you dr. Robert M shock and

3602
02:53:54,099 --> 02:53:51,109
it's Robert shock calm and the links are

3603
02:53:56,559 --> 02:53:54,109
over at Jimmy Church radio calm go into

3604
02:53:58,989 --> 02:53:56,569
it check out Oracle his trips

3605
02:54:01,210 --> 02:53:58,999
right now we're sold out I you know but

3606
02:54:02,979 --> 02:54:01,220
it's it's dr. Robert Schoch and you

3607
02:54:05,139 --> 02:54:02,989
would expect that but he will be

3608
02:54:07,809 --> 02:54:05,149
speaking at the conscious life Expo next

3609
02:54:09,849 --> 02:54:07,819
month here in Los Angeles and you can go

3610
02:54:12,939 --> 02:54:09,859
to the conscious life Expo banner right

3611
02:54:15,010 --> 02:54:12,949
there Jimmy Church radio.com and go and

3612
02:54:17,050 --> 02:54:15,020
check all of that out right there

3613
02:54:20,500 --> 02:54:17,060
tickets info full conference schedule is

3614
02:54:23,639 --> 02:54:20,510
right there nassim haramein of course

3615
02:54:25,330 --> 02:54:23,649
Linda Moulton Howe Erich von däniken

3616
02:54:27,639 --> 02:54:25,340
George Noory

3617
02:54:29,439 --> 02:54:27,649
it's a it's a full weekend of events

3618
02:54:31,569 --> 02:54:29,449
you're gonna want to go and check it out

3619
02:54:33,099 --> 02:54:31,579
right now now I mentioned earlier at the

3620
02:54:35,859 --> 02:54:33,109
front of the show before I get out of

3621
02:54:37,929 --> 02:54:35,869
here one of the things that I am going

3622
02:54:40,689 --> 02:54:37,939
to present tomorrow there are two things

3623
02:54:44,139 --> 02:54:40,699
I'm gonna set up for fate or night one

3624
02:54:48,279 --> 02:54:44,149
of them is CERN and their plans right

3625
02:54:51,969 --> 02:54:48,289
now for a new Collider and the current

3626
02:54:54,700 --> 02:54:51,979
one which is the largest thing that was

3627
02:54:56,559 --> 02:54:54,710
built on planet Earth that it it you

3628
02:54:59,500 --> 02:54:56,569
think about the engineering that goes

3629
02:54:59,889 --> 02:54:59,510
behind it and what they are doing with

3630
02:55:08,679 --> 02:54:59,899
it

3631
02:55:12,069 --> 02:55:08,689
incredibly huge the most complex crazy

3632
02:55:14,349 --> 02:55:12,079
thing that humans have ever built they

3633
02:55:18,940 --> 02:55:14,359
are going to take that

3634
02:55:21,219 --> 02:55:18,950
a hundred now think about that now I'm

3635
02:55:23,800 --> 02:55:21,229
gonna go over all of that tomorrow and

3636
02:55:29,440 --> 02:55:23,810
the other thing that I am going to lay

3637
02:55:33,639 --> 02:55:29,450
out for you tomorrow is how much data do

3638
02:55:37,540 --> 02:55:33,649
you create every single day how much

3639
02:55:39,790 --> 02:55:37,550
data do you create not the data that you

3640
02:55:42,520 --> 02:55:39,800
might be thinking about let you know

3641
02:55:44,380 --> 02:55:42,530
like writing the annual report for your

3642
02:55:47,380 --> 02:55:44,390
brokerage firm right I'm not talking

3643
02:55:50,469 --> 02:55:47,390
about that I'm talking about data that

3644
02:55:53,590 --> 02:55:50,479
is created by you automatically and you

3645
02:55:57,010 --> 02:55:53,600
don't even know about it right that kind

3646
02:55:59,860 --> 02:55:57,020
of data do you have any idea about this

3647
02:56:01,809 --> 02:55:59,870
well you probably don't so tomorrow I'm

3648
02:56:06,520 --> 02:56:01,819
gonna help you understand all of this

3649
02:56:08,860 --> 02:56:06,530
because first there is your cell phone a

3650
02:56:13,020 --> 02:56:08,870
smartphone there's your tablet there's

3651
02:56:16,900 --> 02:56:13,030
your laptop there is your car and and

3652
02:56:21,820 --> 02:56:16,910
Google and with Google that means Chrome

3653
02:56:25,900 --> 02:56:21,830
that means Android and data is you

3654
02:56:29,290 --> 02:56:25,910
create data every second of the day and

3655
02:56:31,900 --> 02:56:29,300
you don't have any idea about how much

3656
02:56:34,030 --> 02:56:31,910
data is actually collected so tomorrow

3657
02:56:35,770 --> 02:56:34,040
I'm going to give you the full report

3658
02:56:37,420 --> 02:56:35,780
I'm gonna tell you how much data I'm

3659
02:56:40,030 --> 02:56:37,430
gonna tell you where it's going I'm

3660
02:56:43,540 --> 02:56:40,040
gonna tell you what kind of data and how

3661
02:56:44,440 --> 02:56:43,550
much that is collected in a 24 hour

3662
02:56:48,280 --> 02:56:44,450
period

3663
02:56:50,590 --> 02:56:48,290
it is unbelievable so I'm gonna set that

3664
02:56:53,139 --> 02:56:50,600
up for tomorrow night for Fator night

3665
02:56:55,570 --> 02:56:53,149
and we will discuss this it's a it's a

3666
02:56:58,450 --> 02:56:55,580
very important report that combined with

3667
02:57:02,110 --> 02:56:58,460
CERN and throw all of that into one big

3668
02:57:03,309 --> 02:57:02,120
pile and add on your phone calls so

3669
02:57:05,230 --> 02:57:03,319
that's what's gonna go down tomorrow

3670
02:57:06,969 --> 02:57:05,240
night Fator night with that I want to

3671
02:57:10,120 --> 02:57:06,979
thank dr. Robert M shock for another

3672
02:57:13,480 --> 02:57:10,130
great conversation and of course I've

3673
02:57:16,179 --> 02:57:13,490
got to get out of here because there is

3674
02:57:18,250 --> 02:57:16,189
food at my house right now waiting for

3675
02:57:20,380 --> 02:57:18,260
me and I can't wait to get home fade to

3676
02:57:22,780 --> 02:57:20,390
black executive producers ritika Murray

3677
02:57:25,179 --> 02:57:22,790
on show is produced by hilton jaipur in

3678
02:57:26,000 --> 02:57:25,189
a dennis and bob announcers are steve

3679
02:57:29,750 --> 02:57:26,010
harder Jean

3680
02:57:32,480 --> 02:57:29,760
Toa mark D Kovar webmaster is Drew the

3681
02:57:35,780 --> 02:57:32,490
geek music doug aldrich intro space boys

3682
02:57:37,990 --> 02:57:35,790
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3683
02:57:43,370 --> 02:57:38,000
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3684
02:57:45,530 --> 02:57:43,380
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3685
02:57:47,030 --> 02:57:45,540
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3686
02:57:49,070 --> 02:57:47,040
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3687
02:57:50,630 --> 02:57:49,080
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3688
02:57:52,760 --> 02:57:50,640
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3689
02:57:54,860 --> 02:57:52,770
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3690
02:57:56,780 --> 02:57:54,870
fade to black of the GameChanger network

3691
02:57:59,360 --> 02:57:56,790
I'm your host Jimmy Church I'll see

3692
02:58:01,760 --> 02:57:59,370
everybody tomorrow night right here for

3693
02:58:06,230 --> 02:58:01,770
Fator night follow me on twitter @ JT

3694
02:58:10,650 --> 02:58:06,240
radio until then everybody be safe

3695
02:58:13,430 --> 02:58:10,810
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